mercer wrote:As mentioned on msn the list is ok, it's your tactics. You let Daemons go second so you've lost a turn of shooting at them and you have mobility in tanks but you kept them still....

You should have torrented Fateweaver with krak rockets, blasted Soul Grinders with multi meltas and send Terminators at Fateweaver or infantry with the Librarian casting nullzone. Target priority is key; kill Fateweaver, Soul Grinders and Flamers and then nothing to threaten your armour which means you're safe.

New list looks pretty cool though 8)

Chinchilla wrote:Oh, and vortex is heavy weapon... You can't move and fire it... So better to take avenger cuz wherever you put libby, he won't be able to use it correctly...

DaveL wrote:

Why bother with krak missiles on FW? I'd assume you'd be better off boltering him until he runs away.

Corennus wrote:Rhinos can take 12 models.

mercer wrote:

DaveL wrote:
Why bother with krak missiles on FW? I'd assume you'd be better off boltering him until he runs away.

bolters wound on 6+ and krak wounds on 2+ more dice to roll means more failed saves.

Corennus wrote:Well I now have my sternguard kitted out to be versatile. with special ammo and combi-weapons capable of taking out anything.

Hellfire rounds wounding on a 2+ definately hurt.

Especially with Nul Zone in effect.

Although Null Zone and Kairos is weird cause:

Kairos takes 3 wounds.

Rolls to save. Fails two saves.

Has to reroll the passed save (Null Zone)

rerolls the failed saves (his own power).

End result usually: NO WOUNDS!

DaveL wrote:

mercer wrote:

DaveL wrote:
Why bother with krak missiles on FW? I'd assume you'd be better off boltering him until he runs away.

bolters wound on 6+ and krak wounds on 2+ more dice to roll means more failed saves.

Actually, against Fateweaver, bolters wound on 5+. Also, generally you have a lot more bolters to shoot than you have krak missiles. As a daemon player myself, I tend to grin when somebody shoots heavy weapons at my regular Lord of Change... they may hit and wound, but I still get my 3++ as if it were just a lasgun that got lucky, and that heavy weapon shot cost my opponent a fair number of points. (Don't get me wrong, if you brought missile launchers and there isn't a better target for them, go ahead... but their low AP is wasted against Fateweaver. Or most other daemons, for that matter. Frag missiles against squads are usually the way to go against daemons, especially if the squad is tightly packed such as after DS and a poor run roll.)

Corennus wrote:Yeah. Vanilla rhinos have 12 man capacity

xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:There is no ruling. It's just this:

Null zone makes him reroll saves he makes.
Fateweaver makes him reroll saves he does not.

So when he rolls saves, he rolls them, and no matter the result, reroll them and take that result.

xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:Ya, but tell that to some tournie players.