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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "1000pts space wolves"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 1000pts space wolves
HQ
Njal Stormcaller 245

Elite
5 scouts melta pwX2 115

5 scouts melta pwX2 115

Heavy
5 Long Fangs 3 Missle 2HB 1 Seargent 130

Troops
Grey Hunters X7 PF melta, 185
Rhino Ex Ar

Blood claws X9 PF 210
Rhino Ex AR

Id put Njal in with the grey hunters and run them and blood claws forward. If either transport becomes disabled, go for the objective hold. Use long fangs split fire to take armor and troops. Depending on the mission, and necessity scouts would outflank or infiltrate to deny or slow combat troops, or take out heavy support. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1987659.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1987659.page GMT 1000pts space wolves SC in such low games. He chomps on 1/4 of your army. Rather have a normal rune priest. Not a fan of blood claws either. Change them into grey hunters. With point left over I would move the razor to the long fangs (and remove EA, not too useful), give the grey hunters more bodies and then a rhino. I would also remark that for long fangs, missile are their best weapons. I would drop 1 or all lascannon to get missiles instead of HB]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1987700.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1987700.page GMT 1000pts space wolves HB in the LFP is for the occasional mass of troops I might face, IG, nid, ork. Those are the three armies I play most against. List updated.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1987744.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1987744.page GMT 1000pts space wolves

kenshin620 wrote:I would not recommend a pricey SC in such low games. He chomps on 1/4 of your army. Rather have a normal rune priest. Not a fan of blood claws either. Change them into grey hunters. With point left over I would move the razor to the long fangs (and remove EA, not too useful), give the grey hunters more bodies and then a rhino. I would also remark that for long fangs, missile are their best weapons. I would drop 1 or all lascannon to get missiles instead of HB

Dude, this is space wolves. Taking SCs are rarely a mistake. Especially with Njal. I suggest dropping 1 wolf scout squad and the power weapons on the remaining wolf scout squad.

Instead, put in a Wolf guard squad, 3 of which can accompany your grey hunter, wolf scout and specially your blood claws. The wolf guard get power weapons cheaper and they get 2 base attacks to boot.

The wolf guard with the wolf scouts can bring in combimelta and PFist for sapper duties. Clearing headstrong from blood claws and Ld9 is always good, hell you can give a power weapon to give it more effect.

Since Njal has TDA, he cant ride in with the grey hunters, thats why you drop Extra armor on your ride and invest them instead on 2 TDA which will escort Njal.

If I were to make your list it would look like this:

Njal (245)

5 x Wolf Scouts (85)
-Meltagun

5 x WolfGuard (160)
-CombiMelta + PFist goes with wolf scouts.
-3 x TDA Upgrade

10 x Grey Hunter (185)
-Flamer + Melta gun
-Rhino

10 x Grey Hunter (185)
-Rhino
-Flamer + Melta gun

6 x Long Fangs (140)
5 x ML

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1988104.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1988104.page GMT 1000pts space wolves tda only took up 2 spaces in a trasnport? The space wolves codex does not say that the rhino can't carry termies... ? Is there something I am missing for that? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1988496.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1988496.page GMT 1000pts space wolves
Yes his model is termie armored BUT hes like Calgar. You have to pay for the armor. Njal comes with runic armor by default ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1988510.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1988510.page GMT 1000pts space wolves GH. Honestly, though, as a SW player I still wouldn't take him. He is only really good in 1500 plus games. Otherwise, he is too expensive. I reccommend:

Rune priest, Chooser, LL, JOTWW- 110

5 scouts, melta, 2x Plasma pistol- 115

5 scouts, melta, 2x Plasma pistol- 115

9 GH, rhino, melta, MotW, standard- 200

10 GH, rhino, 2 melta, MotW, standard- 215

Predator, HB sponsons, storm bolter, HK missile- 105
6 Long Fangs, 5 ML- 140]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1988694.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1988694.page GMT 1000pts space wolves
Also missile launchers will waste horde armies as you frag them to bits, no need for heavy bolters.

Terminators can only use land raiders and drop pods, or take a long slow walk.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1988722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1988722.page GMT 1000pts space wolves HB to missles. I could drop a long fang, and then spend some extra points elsewhere as well. I am using Njal for all of his abilities, especially on troops, relying on the missles and scouts to pop the armor so i can assualt with the grey hunters and blood claws. Hmm, I will look at the regular Rune Priest as well. I could field two, one for each troop choice for the same price as Njal. I ll look. Thanks for the input, and if anyone can direct me to the statement about what a termie can ride in that would be greatly appreciated.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1988750.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1988750.page GMT 1000pts space wolves

themrsleepy wrote:I don't have the predator to field. It used to state in the rhino entry could not carry terminators as far as I know, and now it no longer states that. I looked and looked through my codex, so unless I missed something it soley goes off transport capacity with them taking up two slots.Thanks for the input, and if anyone can direct me to the statement about what a termie can ride in that would be greatly appreciated.

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Take a regular Rune Priest, or hell....take two for 45 points less than Njall and you will have a FAR better chance of them surviving the battle and doing something decent.

Here is my normal 1,000 point list:

Rune Priest (Wolf Tail Talisman, Living Lightning, Tempest's Wrath) - 105
3 Wolf Guard (2x Power Fist, 3x Combi-Melta) - 109
8 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Wolf Standard, Rhino) - 170
9 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Wolf Standard, Rhino) - 185
5 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Razorback) - 120
5 Long Fangs (4 Missile Launchers, Razorback) - 155
5 Long Fangs (4 Missile Launchers, Razorback) - 155
Total 999

Much better ranged firepower, a Rune Priest that adds to it and provides protection from Deep Strike lists like Blood Angels, Chaos Daemons or Drop Pod lists, and from Skimmers/Jump Pack troops. It also has three scoring units capable of assaulting enemy objectives, and 5 tanks cruising up the field for target saturation.

Now a list like this might involve some purchases but it will be an excellent base of miniatures to start with for building larger forces. All of the infantry can be built from 4 Wolf Packs, including the Rune Priest and the Wolf Guard, with a few extra bitz orders. Here's a breakdown:

4x Wolf Packs ($37.25 each, retail)
2x Rhinos ($33.00 each, retail)
3x Razorbacks ($35.00 each retail)
3x Combi-Meltas ($9.99 each from TheWarStore.com)
3x Meltaguns ($6.49 each from TheWarStore.com)
8x Missile Launchers ($8.99 each from TheWarStore.com)

Total retail cost: $441.36
Total discounted cost from TheWarStore.com: $377.36

Subtract what you already have from the list of stuff to buy and you shouldn't need to spend THAT much money to make it work.

Anyway, that's just my opinion, so feel free to use anything you like and scrap anything you don't. Hope that helps.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1989172.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1989172.page GMT 1000pts space wolves FLGS) and the spce wolf kits come with so many extra bits its kinda hard not to convert each guy. For combi meltas: You can greenstuff it with a dashed cylinder! I also heartily reccommend the following in place of the 4 wolf packs:

2 wolf packs/1 wolf pack

2/3 tactical squads.

I reccommend this because of the extensive bits in the wolf packs- you can kit bash with ease. Tactical squads also include for your needs: Meltagun, flamer, plasmagun, rocketlauncher- all of which but hte plasma the packs sets don't include! So really, is it that tough of a deal? DO IT!

I aslo reccommend Aldarionns list for the sheer firepower.
The battle force would also be a great deal, especially if you want to droppod those 5 guys and their WG.

So yeah, my 2 cents.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1989782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1989782.page GMT 1000pts space wolves

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:There's cheper ways to get some of those things (Especially at your FLGS) and the spce wolf kits come with so many extra bits its kinda hard not to convert each guy. For combi meltas: You can greenstuff it with a dashed cylinder! I also heartily reccommend the following in place of the 4 wolf packs:

2 wolf packs/1 wolf pack

2/3 tactical squads.

I reccommend this because of the extensive bits in the wolf packs- you can kit bash with ease. Tactical squads also include for your needs: Meltagun, flamer, plasmagun, rocketlauncher- all of which but hte plasma the packs sets don't include! So really, is it that tough of a deal? DO IT!

I aslo reccommend Aldarionns list for the sheer firepower.
The battle force would also be a great deal, especially if you want to droppod those 5 guys and their WG.

So yeah, my 2 cents.

Mmm true. Its always good to take stuff from the generic marines. Taking both BF's can give a nice baseline which you then add in the missing holes]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1989808.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1989808.page GMT 1000pts space wolves SW sprue! It's AMAZING!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1989829.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1989829.page GMT 1000pts space wolves

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:Yup. It's what I did, and it's worked well so far. You get something like 29 heads for 10 guys in the SW sprue! It's AMAZING!

53 heads actually, but some of them are intended for Scouts.

I build all of my infantry from Wolf Packs because I prefer to have no vanilla marine bits/shoulderpads/etc... on my figures, but that's just me. As for my Meltaguns/Combi-Meltas, I actually only bought one of each, and I replicated them multiple times via Greenstuff molds to save money, but not everyone is confident enough using Greenstuff to make that work.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1989995.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1989995.page GMT 1000pts space wolves http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1990017.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1990017.page GMT 1000pts space wolves http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1990127.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1990127.page GMT 1000pts space wolves http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1990130.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1990130.page GMT 1000pts space wolves

themrsleepy wrote:So I m sitting at work with my brand new space pups, thought I would draw up a list, I just picked up my models yesterday, and am looking through a few low point lists. Here s the 1000 I can almost field with little purchase.

HQ
Njal Stormcaller 245

Elite
5 scouts melta pwX2 115

5 scouts melta pwX2 115

Heavy
5 Long Fangs 3 Missle 2HB 1 Seargent 130

Troops
Grey Hunters X7 PF melta, 185
Rhino Ex Ar

Blood claws X9 PF 210
Rhino Ex AR

Id put Njal in with the grey hunters and run them and blood claws forward. If either transport becomes disabled, go for the objective hold. Use long fangs split fire to take armor and troops. Depending on the mission, and necessity scouts would outflank or infiltrate to deny or slow combat troops, or take out heavy support.

Are you planning on playing mostly competitively/tournament or mostly casual/fun games with opponents also expecting casual/fun games?

If it is the former, then by all means listen to all the mech & melta-spam advice that you'll get in this part of the forum.

If it is the latter, then you don't need to bother with any of that, and go ahead and try out all the stuff you think will be fun to put on the table. At some stores it is not even appreciated if you show up with your internet-list melta/mech army.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1990397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1990397.page GMT 1000pts space wolves 40k night at the LGS often, work is lame that way. I am searching for a fun list that is both competitive and interesting after talking it over with my friend quite extensively, I really think Njal is worth taking in a 1000pt list. Sure he's not designed for close combat, though he does have a little bit to keep him alive. But, I really think as a compliment to a force he can be amazing. I am totally and completely ditching previous list. haha, but really thanks for the advice on it though, kind of inspired to me change it up a bit. Well, my next list I don't know if it is as competive as the the ones posted here, but it sounds like fun

I unfortuanately left it at home so it'll get posted up either tonight or tomorrow. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1992240.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1992240.page GMT 1000pts space wolves
You will essentially be fielding a 750 point force + Njal, and if he rolls Perils of the Warp he wounds himself with no save. That's just too much risk for such a high point cost special character in a low point game with only 2 wounds.

As long as you understand you are fielding a glass cannon that your opponent will key in on and likely have little difficulty killing with a well organized force, then more power to you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1992314.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1992314.page GMT 1000pts space wolves PF. I ll post up a proper list tonight but that is what it sumarily looks like for now. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1992345.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1992345.page GMT 1000pts space wolves
Wolf Guard do not count as independent characters and in fact, by joining the Blood Claws they themselves gain the Headstrong rule that forces the Blood Claws to forgo shooting if within assault distance of an enemy.

Additionally Blood Claws cannot charge after disembarking from the Rhinos if the Rhinos moved, meaning it will take two turns to get into position, then a third turn to assault assuming your opponent doesn't just move out of the way. Grey Hunters can move, disembark and fire, then either counter-assault if the enemy shoots them, or follow up and charge or double tap should the enemy move back.

If you must use Njal, I'd do something like this:

Njal - 245
3 Wolf Guard (2x Power Fist, Frost Blade, 3x Combi-Melta) - 124
8 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Wolf Standard, Rhino) - 170
9 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Wolf Standard, Rhino) - 185
5 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Razorback) - 120
5 Long Fangs (4 Missile Launchers, Razorback) - 155
Total 999

It has three scoring units and some decent ranged firepower as well as enough tanks for good target saturation as you advance. Your opponent will still key in on Njal but with a list like this you will hopefully have enough support to allow him a bit of freedom to be effective. Just know that if you are playing Eldar and they have a Farseer, you have wasted 245 points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1992641.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1992641.page GMT 1000pts space wolves GH... but I FAQ'd it, and you lose the headstrong with a WG.

Njal- I love him. He and Ragnar are both amazing... but njal just doesn't click in a low points game! Read Just Daves tactica, it might help... Also, I don't want to drill it into your head, but a rune priest does Njals work for cheaps. Nuff said.

DO. NOT. USE. BLOOD. CLAWS.

At this level, they are really unrealiable. Their biggest problem is being overpriced. TAKE GH. YOU WILL THANK US LATER!
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1993313.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1993313.page GMT 1000pts space wolves GH, the only difference with them is the fact that grey hunters have bolters and BC have an extra attack on the charge.

Njal isn't just about being a rune priest, he's about causing an apparent point sink and making my enemy either focus fire towar him or away from him. I want the enemy to have to choose between that expensive HQ, which has special rules, and could be feared, plus two psychic powers a turn or the troops....side note, rarely play against eldar, nids often, but he never takes shadow, but he will now... just for joww lol... Then again my friend doesn't know i've picked up a space wolves army yet

yes surprise and shock will light up his face when necrons aren't coming to the table. haha!
WG are 2 pts cheaper for the pf than putting it on the blood claw, grey hunter is same pt as blood claw for pf, and its for a small 1000 pt game, 5 flamers, 5 rhinos, 5 PF, 20 bp ccw blood claws, i attack on my terms generally, it will only take a squad or two to make it, and at a thousand points, i plan on enjoying this list. Everyone says blood claws aren't worth it, they suck. But why do they say that? what makes them so bad? Headstrong? Negated by my WG. No bolter? Don't care I'm taking them to assualt not to shoot. 3BS? Don't care I'm taking them to assualt not to shoot. WS3? Not that bad hit everything and it's mother on 4+ that many attacks thats perfectly acceptable, still S4. 19 attacks plus 3 PF on the charge the way im running it, after a flamer template and the rhino s shooting in. In a 1000pt list am I really gonna see such a bamfy character, MC, squad, that I can't take it down with a squad or two?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1993426.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1993426.page GMT 1000pts space wolves

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:Aldarionn- Agree on the GH... but I FAQ'd it, and you lose the headstrong with a WG.

Actually it's not in the FAQ, it's in the Codex. It states that "If the Blood Claws are joined by a Wolf Guard model or an Independent Character....etc...."

I missed that part of it, so my bad.

Regardless, my point still stands when it comes to Blood Claws. They are not worth their points when fielded in a Rhino, and the only effective way to field them is 14 at a time with a Wolf Priest leading them along with a Wolf Guard with a Power Fist (which is obviously too expensive for 1,000 points since that's a 600 point unit, leaving you with 400 points for the rest of your army. Too damned expensive, even for a unit in a Land Raider.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1993432.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1993432.page GMT 1000pts space wolves YMMV I think, I ll try it out Wednesday at my FLGS, I actually get to go for once, and send out the battle report. But, please if theyres some major flaw in the Blood claws I am missing let me know! lol, The adamancy that they suck is pretty strong here, so please let me know what I seem to be missing lol.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1993447.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1993447.page GMT 1000pts space wolves CC... and GH do better there too, and in shooting... so... PLUS THEY ARE THE SAME COST!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1993489.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1993489.page GMT 1000pts space wolves

themrsleepy wrote:How are blood claws unreliable? They are the exact same points as the GH, the only difference with them is the fact that grey hunters have bolters and BC have an extra attack on the charge.

Njal isn't just about being a rune priest, he's about causing an apparent point sink and making my enemy either focus fire towar him or away from him. I want the enemy to have to choose between that expensive HQ, which has special rules, and could be feared, plus two psychic powers a turn or the troops....side note, rarely play against eldar, nids often, but he never takes shadow, but he will now... just for joww lol... Then again my friend doesn't know i've picked up a space wolves army yet

Let me start off by saying that Space Wolves are NOT a Close Combat army. I'll repeat that. They are NOT, under any circumstances, to be considered a Close Combat centered force. If you want an army that specializes in Close Combat, play Blood Angels. They are much better at it and their Assault Marines are scoring units supported by cheap Elites choices that give them Feel No Pain and Furious Charge. Space Wolves are a CLOSE RANGED SPECIALIST army. This means they operate well within a distance of about 12"-24" ideally, and they can survive in melee if it is forced upon them. They do have some melee specialist troops, but that does not mean the entire Codex is designed for that type of play. Thunderwolves make for an awesome Death Star, and Blood Claws can do the same thing in a Land Raider (more on that later), but both do best when supported by several packs of Grey Hunters, who are widely considered the single best basic infantry unit IN THE GAME right now. Why would you pass up that unit for a unit that trades the Bolter for +1 attack when assaulting, but cannot assault out of a Rhino, -1 WS and BS and a rule that requires that they be accompanied by a Wolf Guard or an Independent Character? If their Wolf Guard dies due to an unfortunate save they lose the one thing that allows them to function normally. Grey Hunters are just flat-out better!

Blood Claws are not "bad" per se, they are simply inferior to Grey Hunters except when fielded in a Land Raider. The simple reason is you cannot move your Rhino 12", unload your Blood Claws and then assault with them. You have to remain stationary, disembark, then assault, which means your Blood Claws will take 3 turns to get into combat, and be left completely exposed to an opponent that pops your transports and then mows down the infantry inside. A rhino moves 12" on turn 1 and pops smoke, which in a Pitched Battle deployment puts you at best 12" from the edge of their deployment zone. Your opponent then moves his units back slightly and fires at your transports. You move another 12", this time lacking smoke, and your opponent positions his units in a way that once your transports are busted open he can either shoot or assault the Blood Claws inside (who do not gain +2 attacks when counter-charging). If his units have Furious Charge, he attacks before you and at a higher strength (Common for Blood Angels, Tyranids, Chaos, Etc...) and slaughters your Blood Claws before they do anything.

With Grey Hunters you advance on turn 1 and pop smoke, and on turn 2 you have a 12" move, a 2" disembark and a 12" double tap with Bolters, which gives you a 26" threat range from the center of the board and the ability to soften your opponent before he shoots or assaults you. The next round if he's in assault range you can shoot him with Bolt Pistols followed by an Assault and lose a grand total of 9 attacks, or you can walk forward 6" and double tap again, your choice. The Grey Hunters have a 2nd turn strike capability that Blood Claws simply do not have unless fielded in an assault vehicle.

I could do the math for you, but I don't care to work out the numbers against Tyranids, Imperial Guard, Chaos or normal Space Marines (The big 4 that you will likely see, since you mentioned you don't face Eldar that often).

I CAN tell you that Blood Angels Jumpers will massacre you without much trouble, and Tyranids love to see Blood Claws, but HATE to see Grey Hunters across the table since Grey Hunters have guns that ignore the armor on their basic infantry. Imperial Guard will just feed you a squad while the rest of their army shells you from a distance since you lack any real ranged capabilities whatsoever. You'll slaughter the squad you charge, then be left out in the open for their ordnance to blast you apart.

All of that is moot though if you have your mind made up. If you want to field Blood Claws that's your decision, but every veteran Space Wolf player will tell you Grey Hunters are much better for the same price.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1993517.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1993517.page GMT 1000pts space wolves
So now, to make it worth while to bring the Blood Claws you have spent at least 225 on the 15 man unit, another 100 on the Wolf Priest, and an additional 275 on the Land Raider Crusader with extra armor and the multi-melta. So you now have a unit that costs 600 points to be effective. You really don't want to do that all in a 1000 point game.... So stick with the Grey Hunters!

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1993539.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1993539.page GMT 1000pts space wolves http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1994455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1994455.page GMT 1000pts space wolves http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1997051.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/1997051.page GMT 1000pts space wolves
Game two was against nids. I won this one, 3 objectives. He took two sporepodding sets of warriors, two squads of genestealers and a prime. He got the worst piece meal ever, turn two a single pod, turn three both squads of genestealers with one on the wrong side of the board, turn four, other squad of warriors and his prime(who walked on and rolled horrible for runs). By the time the second set of warriors game in i was flamering genestealers to the last, and the first set was long gone, killed a spore with a joww and the other got lascannoned. Only lost two rhinos, and a fourish other models. At the end of turn six game ended, he had a couple of stealers left from the long running squad and that was it.

Third game was a two on two 1000pts a piece. Guard and marines against my wolves and demonhunters. 3 objective game We only got to turn 4, but it was interesting. three grey hunters were holding up 400pts of marine bikes. my space wolves, full squad plus 2 from another rhino were mounding a hill two inches away from assualting a tiny guard retingent that thought they were going to hold an objective, and Njal and a lone grey hunter were holding our objective.

So overall the list worked ok, the third ended looking possibly ugly, Njal would have died pretty quick if those bikes finally took out the grey hunters, but it was a close game none the less. I think that I am going to change out the twin lascannon razorback, but not sure what for.... and Njal, his little weather power.... sounds so much more amazing than it is. I killed a couple of guard and two genestealer and a tyranid warrior... Can you field two rune priests for the same price? yes, but not as effective as he is. i think for this point value I ll change him out to one rune priest and spend the points elsewhere... maybe a long fang squad with missles. thanks again for the C&C on the list!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/2008572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/2008572.page GMT 1000pts space wolves http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/2008597.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/2008597.page GMT 1000pts space wolves http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/2008643.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/2008643.page GMT 1000pts space wolves http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/2008697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/2008697.page GMT 1000pts space wolves

Aldarionn wrote:

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:Yup. It's what I did, and it's worked well so far. You get something like 29 heads for 10 guys in the SW sprue! It's AMAZING!

When you say greenstuff, do you mean wrap it round te combi-melta to make a mold, the when you need more, fill the gs mold with more greenstuff to get more combi-meltas?

Just curious as I need about 10, but do not want to spend a wad of cash on them.

Plus, how do you stop it all getting stuck together?

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For the razorback, twin linked assault cannons might be good, 4 S6 shots with rerolls to hit and rending to wound.

I also sometimes use the old Lascannon and twin linked plasma gun turret for termie/ vehicle hunting

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I thought bloodclaws got 4 attacks on the charge, not 3- 1 basic, +1 for additional hand weapon +1 for charging +1 for berserk charge. Or am i reading the codex wrong?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/2016099.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/2016099.page GMT 1000pts space wolves

dantay_xv wrote:
When you say greenstuff, do you mean wrap it round te combi-melta to make a mold, the when you need more, fill the gs mold with more greenstuff to get more combi-meltas?

Just curious as I need about 10, but do not want to spend a wad of cash on them.

Plus, how do you stop it all getting stuck together?

OK, please forgive the leingth of this post, and I apologize if I confuse you in the process, but I'll attempt to explain how this works as clearly as possible.

In order to cast pieces via a Greenstuff Mold, you essentially cast a piece with a top and bottom mold, then use those mold halves to press together around a ball of Greenstuff and form the piece. This is known as a "squish mold". To go about this you start by mixing up an amount of Green Stuff large enough to encase half of the piece you are casting and allow it to cure for about 20 minutes. Make sure the piece is a simple shape, as casting can be difficult for complex parts. Something like a Meltagun or a Combi-Melta is easy but a Cyclone Missile Launcher might be a little difficult.

Once the Greenstuff has cured for about 20 minutes, roll it out on a piece of wax paper or tinfoil. Be mindful of the thickness of the part you are casting and make sure the Greenstuff is thick enough to accept it. Once the Greenstuff is rolled out, lube the piece with some canola oil or petroleum jelly, then gently press it into the Greenstuff until it is halfway submerged. Use a sculpting tool to ensure the Greenstuff sits tightly up against the edge of the piece, and generally try to follow the existing mold lines (It helps to NOT clean the part you are casting, and leave any mold lines as they give you a reference for about where each half of the mold should sit). Once the piece is properly seated in the mold, cut the excess into a unique shape. This can be as simple as just cutting it onto square edges or cutting wedges out of the side. The reason for this is once the top half of the mold is created, the unique shape will ensure that the mold fits together properly every time you press it together. Let it cure for at least 3 or 4 hours. Greenstuff cures by heat action so you can improve the curing time by keeping it in a warm place, under a lamp or something similar.

Once cured, mix up another piece of Greenstuff about the same size and allow to cure for 20 minutes. Leave the piece inside the bottom of the mold and lube up the entire thing. Take the new piece of Greenstuff, roll it into a ball and press it down over the top of the piece firmly until the entire piece is covered. Ensure the top half of the mold takes on the shape of the bottom half as mentioned above (the reason for the unique shape). Allow the entire thing to cure over night. The next day pry the mold apart carefully (it could be tight), and pop the piece out (which could also be tight). If you have done this right you should have two halves of a mold that fit together perfectly with a hollow space in the middle the exact shape and size of the piece you want to cast. If there is any detail loss then something might have been done incorrectly and you may have to repeat the process. It DOES take practice!

To cast the new piece, roll up a ball of Greenstuff (pre-cured for 20 minutes like the others), and carefully press it into half of the mold. It may take time to work out exactly how much to use. Too much and you will end up with a lot of flash and a cast that's too thick because the mold won't press together all the way. Too little and you will end up with an incomplete mold. I usually roll several small balls of Greenstuff (about the size of BB's) and press them one at a time into the bottom half of the mold until it's full, then layer on as many as I used on top of that and press the mold halves together.

You need to lube the mold each time you cast a piece, and you need to allow it to cure at least 3 or 4 hours each time. The longer the better. You can adjust the amount of blue to yellow epoxy to allow the pieces to be more rigid or soft depending on what you prefer. I like more rigid pieces, so I mix it with more blue than yellow.

Anyway, I hope that explains what you are looking for. It's not a difficult process but it does take time to master, so do not get frustrated if your first few attempts turn out poorly. Just learn from the mistake and ask yourself what went wrong, and try to fix it the next time around. Good luck!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/2017189.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/2017189.page GMT 1000pts space wolves
I will try it with something simple like a gun first, just to see how it goes.

I am also curious to try it on the very old scout backpacks as GW do not make them anymore and I have been making my scouts with SW torso's and i always loved the backpacks... I am about 3 short of another squad.

Thanks for the tips and sorry for the mini hi-jack of this thread]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/2023002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/320303/2023002.page GMT