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Weighting and Magnetizing bases

BlueDagger — GMT

Figured I'd share a technique that I use for weighting down my bases and magnetizing them even though I'm positive I'm not the first to do it this way lol. Before we get started...

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For sake of time find a container to gather them all up in, old glass spice jars work great.

Once you have emptied the shell DO NOT JUST THROW IT AWAY. The shotgun shells have a blasting cap still on them, ensure you dispose of them safely.

If magnetizing your base, place a single magnet toward the middle in a dab of wood glue. Let the glue harden, then place another drop of glue over top and let that harden.

Fill you bases with a single layer of shot and ensure that there is no shot on top of each other, nor are any of the balls higher then the edge of the base. In the pic below there is size 8 on the left and 9 on the right, the weight is almost exactly the same.

Next, pour some wood glue into your container and add a lill bit of water. You will want the glue to be about the consistency of tomato soup. Then with a toothpick or other handy object dribble the glue into the shot filling to the edge making sure not to overfill.

Allow these to cure/harden all the way through before continuing. This will take quite a while (day+) and can be sped up by placing them in a nice hot afternoon sun. Once fully cured it is a nice idea to put another undiluted drop of wood glue over the magnet to make sure it doesn't pull out, if you used one.

Once dry the new base will be a little over that of a US quarter and will hold to metals.

TIPS:
- Completely filling a large base use usually a bad idea. The weight gets a bit much and can risk breaking the legs off the model... yeah I've done that to a crisis suit before.
- Make sure to put the extra drops of undiluted wood glue over the magnet, as a single layer a lot of times can't handle the force and will tear out of the glue.
- Always let the wood glue cure completely before using the base. Nothing sucks worse then having the semi cured glue glop out mid game.
- Scratching the inside of the base up before applying the glue can give the glue a bit of extra hold.
- A single shell of size 9 will fill about 7-8 bases. The box I get from Walmart is 25 shells, so you can do about 200 bases per box equaling out to about .02 cents per base lol.

Hope you find this useful

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ProseDragon — GMT

Playing with live ammunition is fun, no doubt - but I'm pretty sure you can buy just the shot from a sporting goods store.

Just a thought.

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Jubear — GMT

A little OT but as a aussie Im blown away you can buy ammo at a Walmart in the states.

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Viktor von Domm — GMT

i certainly would recommend using fishing lead to wheighting the thingies for fishing...not someone thats going fishing latley or ever^^.

as there are many underage persons on this forum i think it is extremly unwise to make such a tutorial. there are so many heavy tiny objects one could use and not refering to live amo....
something like that just asks for dire exidents...

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an00bis — GMT

Why would you used ammo just got to the store and gets some BBs

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hemingway — GMT

Viktor von Domm wrote:
as there are many underage persons on this forum i think it is extremly unwise to make such a tutorial. there are so many heavy tiny objects one could use and not refering to live amo....
something like that just asks for dire exidents...

we ought to keep kids away from hobby knives too--they might cut their wrists! in fact, that shot contains lead, and if those poor children ATE it, they could get really sick. heck, it could fall on the floor, they could slip and hurt their innocent bums.

+1 to the tutorial. great idea.

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Scott-S6 — GMT

A decent gun shop will be able to sell you a bag of lead shot for less than the 12guage shells cost.
A fishing shop will have lead weights.
An RC/model shop will be able to sell you extremely fine lead shot (used for ballast in yachts).

There are lots of sources of lead weight. It might have been worth mentioning the alternative sources for those members of the forum that can't just go and buy ammunition (either due to age or local law).

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Viktor von Domm — GMT

i find it rather disturbing to shop at walmart and realising when packing my milk in the cart that i probably run out of amo and have to cart back to the amo section of walmart. would be more suitable and convinient to have these kind of things admidst bubble gum and cigarettes at the cashier...

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SoloFalcon1138 — GMT

Viktor von Domm wrote:i find it rather disturbing to shop at walmart and realising when packing my milk in the cart that i probably run out of amo and have to cart back to the amo section of walmart. would be more suitable and convinient to have these kind of things admidst bubble gum and cigarettes at the cashier...

Yeah, well, that's why America rocks... say what you will about our government, we still have guns...

And, in the words of Tallhassee from Zombieland, "thank God for rednecks!" I don't know why me and my buddies never thought of this!

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P.S. it would probably be better to find the shot on its own, though... for one, it's less dangerous because you;re not ripping a shotgun shell apart; and two, the cap is not really what you have to worry about, it's the powder. The local water treatment plant would not appreciate people dumping powder down the drain in mass quantities, and you really don;t want to put it in the trash...

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BloodQuest — GMT

I can't swear to it, but I don't think fishing tackle is allowed to use lead anymore.

I cast my own bases from white metal for heavier models:

These are hand pours on a mould that's well used. One of these days I'm going to make up a new mould and spin cast them.

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BlueDagger — GMT

Thanks for the recommendations on alternate sources. As of yet I haven't been able to find lead shot of the right size outside of using shells, but yes I wouldn't recommend this tutorial to a underage person or irresponsible person. I placed these in the tutorial since Walmart are so common and the price is cheap so it's a reliable source for most Americans. Also, yes, it's sad (and humorous)that Walmart sells ammunition two isles down from kids toys.

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hemingway — GMT

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:
P.S. it would probably be better to find the shot on its own, though... for one, it's less dangerous because you;re not ripping a shotgun shell apart; and two, the cap is not really what you have to worry about, it's the powder. The local water treatment plant would not appreciate people dumping powder down the drain in mass quantities, and you really don;t want to put it in the trash...

take it out into the woods or anywhere there's dirt and scatter it in loose soil.

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Viktor von Domm — GMT

and that wouldn´t pollute the water ? cause there is this thing caled rain that sometimes washes stuff in the soil and thats how things get in the groundwater... *shakes head*

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Cadichan Support — GMT

Jubear wrote:A little OT but as a aussie Im blown away you can buy ammo at a Walmart in the states.

+1 to that. I think they can also buy pistols at Kmart am i right?

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SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
and you really don;t want to put it in the trash...

What i would do is just get the powder and pour onto the concrete floor in small bits and explode them one by one.
Fling lighted matched at the small piles

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Gavin Thorne — GMT

Both ammo and weapons can be purchased at Walmart stores in the US. Of course, there's still the necessary waiting period for purchase just as there would be for any gun shop. Buying the shot separately would definitely be cheaper and avoid the necessity of disposing of the leftover caps. My Walmart carries both gunpowder, casings, and shot, but they might be easier (if a little more pricey) through the hunting/fishing supplier.

BloodQuest, lead shot is still used for fishing tackle - I bought a bag of sinkers a few months back to use for base weights. Those are some pretty nice bases, btw. Where do you get your white metal for casting and can you describe the process? I've cast resin before but not metals.

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BloodQuest — GMT

Gavin Thorne wrote:lead shot is still used for fishing tackle

Oh! For some reason, I was quite convinced it had been banned by now.

Gavin Thorne wrote:Those are some pretty nice bases, btw. Where do you get your white metal for casting and can you describe the process?

These were done with metal from Tiranti's in the UK - http://www.tiranti.co.uk/.

On this side of the pond, Castings, Inc. has a similar lead free pewter - http://www.miniaturemolds.com/

Both of the above suppliers have everything you could want, including starter kits.

Basically:

Build a hollow box out of Lego.
Pack the bottom half with clay.
Lay in your bits, including a cone which will become the pour hole and connecting channels if you're putting more than one item in the mould.*
Spray with release agent, then pour in the RTV rubber and let it set.
Flip it over, remove clay, spray again. Pour second half of mould.

You're done! I'm glossing over the finer points here, but that's it in a nutshell.

Has no-one here done a white metal tutorial? I'd be happy to knock one up, but can't help thinking there must be others here with more experience than me.

I'm starting to think seriously about a spin-casting setup and a proper crucible - my wife isn't thrilled with me heating metal on the stove for some reason...

* of course, as regular dakkaites will know, I'm not a certified sprue expert...

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Gavin Thorne — GMT

There's been plenty of resin casting tutes, but no metal casting. I imagined the techniques were the same, but the actual use of the metal was considerably different from resin. I've got tons of old pewter and white metal models that I could use for recasting.

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BloodQuest — GMT

It probably won't be for a week or so, but I'll see about putting a tutorial together.

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Flying Pooo — GMT

Jubear wrote:A little OT but as a aussie Im blown away you can buy ammo at a Walmart in the states.

I thought the same thing LoL!

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GrimDog — GMT

Lol at buying ammo. You can buy the guns there too.

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Suicidal Cheez — GMT

What the man. How is anyone outside the US going to get his hands on bloody 12 Gauge shotgun shells?!

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Lint — GMT

This thread is so awesome.. +1 for walmart ammo counter.

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BloodQuest — GMT

Suicidal Cheez wrote:How is anyone outside the US going to get his hands on bloody 12 Gauge shotgun shells?!

You can definitely get them in France, 'cause I know of a bloke who blew his brains out with a shotgun there.

But that's kind of moot, because sodding about with live ammo seems like a bad idea to me.

As has been said, you might find the shot, or something similar, in a store that sells fishing tackle.

Also, similar lead weights used to be sold for weighing the bottom of curtains, basically a ribbon of cloth with the weights sewn in.

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adamsouza — GMT

Suicidal Cheez wrote:What the man. How is anyone outside the US going to get his hands on bloody 12 Gauge shotgun shells?!

Move the US ?

What's funny to me is all the posts about disposing of the gunpowder. I thought it would be quite fun, and obvious, to either fire them all off, or just collect and burn the powder.

What's the matter with you kids these days ? Didn't anyone teach you to play with fire ?

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Fateweaver — GMT

Gander Mtn also sells shot separately for those who do their own reloads.

Any redneck worth his salt reloads his own ammo.

I find it funny outsiders are amazed we can buy guns at Walmart (though not a great source of guns and most gun shops are actually cheaper).

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Kilkrazy — GMT

Random misshapen shot is available in bulk and makes a good alternative to live shotgun shells.

It is used as ballast by model boat builders and scuba divers.

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ToxicsLayer — GMT

Could also use Tungsten sinkers for fishing. Exceptionally heavy for the size.

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Fateweaver — GMT

I think it's safe to say to score up the bases a bit. I've noticed some of my bases the glue/lead blobs feel "loose". In the future I'll make sure to rough them up good to give the glue some teeth (a drop or two of super glue once fully cured will also reinforce the bond).

FYI, a 25 pound bag of #9 chilled lead shot (chilled is more dense vs magnum shot) will do approximately 2500 bases. 2 bases for 1 US penny approximately (standard 25mm bases), slotted bases will yield more but obviously 40mm will yield far less.

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Mukkin'About — GMT

Shotgun base weights. Hardcore.
Some of the other options seem more economical
But nothing says badass like the innards of a shotgun shell
Someone's kid will die trying this, i'm sure!

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Viktor von Domm — GMT

cool opinion, i thought the same, got told of for in this thread. by the way where are you from? flag says only "bn"...

cheers fella, vik

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mwnciboo — GMT

Only in the US would someone consider taking apart live Ammunition and I will re-iterate "LIVE AMMUNITION" to make a model wargaming figurine. It is so dangerous it makes me cringe, while you at it why not consider placing your TV on the side of the Bath so you can watch while your in it? Or maybe keeping Cyanide in a fridge in a bottle with the words "drink me" written on it.

AM I THE ONLY SANE PERSON LEFT ON THE PLANET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As a military professional this is insane, risk should always be mitigated anyway you can. This is not using a Sledgehammer to crack a nut, it is a "Oh look I have a spare nuclear Warhead lets use that to open that Brazil nut!" Solution.....I try not to swear on this forum but F*ck me sideways, if this is not the most irresponsible tutorial I have ever seen! Someone should remove this or have it edited!

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Viktor von Domm — GMT

ach me bleeding aching heart, this i like,

in short i second the thoughts from mwnciboo to the letter!!!

vik

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Kurce — GMT

I just take a washer and glue it to the bottom of the base. Gives it some nice weight and it is extremely fast and simple. However, it gives a little bit of extra height to your model so you might find some of your models won't benefit from cover like they should. Although, the only time I have ever seen it as a problem is with GW's craters.

Your way if much nicer as it preserves the correct height of the model while still adding some weight. Albeit, you could blow your head off on accident...

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Rhich — GMT

BloodQuest wrote:I can't swear to it, but I don't think fishing tackle is allowed to use lead anymore.

I cast my own bases from white metal for heavier models:

These are hand pours on a mould that's well used. One of these days I'm going to make up a new mould and spin cast them.

I'd like to find out more about those bases.... right now I'm buying weights from a guy on Epay... there not bad and fairly cheap but those bases would be the perfect solution to some of my larger mini's that are a bit top heavy.

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BloodQuest — GMT

I've retired the mould but I do have a few left (the picture is recent).

Drop me a PM if you want a few and we'll figure out a price.

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Rhich — GMT

PM sent !!!
Do you cast any weighted base inserts?
I've been buying from a guy on Epay for all my 25MM bases but he hasn't listed in a long time. I still have 36 Fire warriors that need something.

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BAN — GMT

cool, any suggestions for someone who doesn't havwe access to shotgun shells

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BloodQuest — GMT

BAN wrote:cool, any suggestions for someone who doesn't havwe access to shotgun shells

Fishing/Anglers supply as people have already mentioned.

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Kilkrazy — GMT

http://www.leadshotballast.co.uk/

I would be surprised if there weren't a company like this in the USA.

The shot is a mixture of small sizes. You glue it into the base with PVA adhesive.

I fill my bases with "Plastic Padding Chemical Metal". It is a car body filling compound consisting of two parts, styrene resin and a polymerization agent. You mix these and after five to 10 minutes it cures into solid polystyrene.

It is a bit stinky but it's really good for filling bases because it is much cheaper than epoxy putty and cures a lot more quickly.

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Fexor — GMT

Ok, as you can plainly see. The "Shot" that is being used in the shotgun shell, is actually insulated away from the scary, dangerous "gun powder" that you're having this "major issue" with.

Now, that being said, this tutorial/idea isn't for little 6 yr old Timmy in your neighborhood. And to be completely honest, that should be blatantly and painfully obvious.

Are there better/safer ways to acquire shotgun bird shot, sure. Could that have been explained yes. But this guy found a creative, albeit unusual and slightly disturbing method. But to say it's completely 100% dangerous, when obviously, if you know how a shotgun shell is put together, it's not as dangerous as you make it out to be. It's not like he's banging the primer with the point of a rock hammer.

I commend the unusual idea, he's thinking outside the box and using what he has. Yeah it has the "potential" to be dangerous, but if handled carefully and with full knowledge of what he's working with he should be able to do it with little to no risk to himself or others.

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As a side note, I thought it was a given that we American's can buy guns and alcohol at the same drive-thru window? Or is this stereotype dying over the years?

Ok, [flame] on.

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TQSplinter — GMT

On the subject of safety, correct me if i'm wrong but lead can be absorbed by the skin and prolonged exposure can cause lead poisoning.

On a practical note I wonder how heavy a full GW model case with all the models based like this would weigh

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Fexor — GMT

TQSplinter wrote:On the subject of safety, correct me if i'm wrong but lead can be absorbed by the skin and prolonged exposure can cause lead poisoning.

Touche good sir.

TQSplinter wrote:On a practical note I wonder how heavy a full GW model case with all the models based like this would weigh

More then I want to carry around.

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Maxstreel — GMT

Cool idea for using weights on the bases. Bad idea for using shotgun shells! Those shells are to be used for shooting, not modeling! Bad waste of ammo...

We Texans however find it easier to get our beer and ammo at the Wal-mart. If it's too crowded at the Wally world, we just go to the Beer Barn Drive Thru Guns n' Liquor to get set for the weekend without even having to get out of our trucks. I love Texas!

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BloodQuest — GMT

TQSplinter wrote:On the subject of safety, correct me if i'm wrong but lead can be absorbed by the skin and prolonged exposure can cause lead poisoning

Been reading up on this and ingestion rather than absorption seems to be the major issue - more of a problem with people "eating" the lead because they didn't wash their hands after handling, or kids putting things in their mouths.

Apparently, people who have lead bullets left in them don't generally suffer lead poisoning, except in specific circumstances.

Obviously, inhaled lead from cars was more of a problem in the past too.

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SoloFalcon1138 — GMT

BloodQuest wrote:
TQSplinter wrote:On the subject of safety, correct me if i'm wrong but lead can be absorbed by the skin and prolonged exposure can cause lead poisoning

Been reading up on this and ingestion rather than absorption seems to be the major issue - more of a problem with people "eating" the lead because they didn't wash their hands after handling, or kids putting things in their mouths.

Apparently, people who have lead bullets left in them don't generally suffer lead poisoning, except in specific circumstances.

Obviously, inhaled lead from cars was more of a problem in the past too.

And most ammunition is not actually lead anymore. Steel and tungsten are starting to take over as preferred materials for environmental and accuracy reasons.

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BloodQuest — GMT

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:And most ammunition is not actually lead anymore. Steel and tungsten are starting to take over as preferred materials for environmental and accuracy reasons.

So at least if you do get shot, the material used to make the bullet should be fairly low on your list of things to worry about...

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Kilkrazy — GMT

Bulk duff shot is still cheaper and safer to use than shotgun ammunition, even if you know what you are doing in taking it apart.

Lead is poisonous if eaten because the stomach acids dissolve it. This is why split shot is no longer used for line weights in angling in the UK.

The coated split shot used nowadays is much more expensive than the bulk duff shot I have recommended.

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Fateweaver — GMT

TQSplinter wrote:On the subject of safety, correct me if i'm wrong but lead can be absorbed by the skin and prolonged exposure can cause lead poisoning.

On a practical note I wonder how heavy a full GW model case with all the models based like this would weigh

Not that heavy at all. A 25# bag of chilled shot will do about 2500 25mm infantry bases so unless you are toting more than 2500 minis around (and I think at that point you got more to worry about then weight) it might at most add 3 pounds (assuming 300 infantry) to the total weght of the pack/bag/box/whatever you carry your army in.

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spireland — GMT

Interesting idea, but messing around with the shells doesn't do it for me. I like the idea if I can grab the shot loose.

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Fateweaver — GMT

Gander Mtn or any other shop that sells shotguns/reloading equipment.

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BloodQuest — GMT

Going back to the aforementioned white metal bases, I have done some all new ones which I should be ready to start casting by the weekend, also base weights as requested!

One option on the new bases is a moulded in brass pin which should be especially useful for things like assault marines which attach only on the ball of one foot.

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mwnciboo — GMT

Quote by Fexor "Are there better/safer ways to acquire shotgun bird shot, sure. Could that have been explained yes. But this guy found a creative, albeit unusual and slightly disturbing method. But to say it's completely 100% dangerous, when obviously, if you know how a shotgun shell is put together, it's not as dangerous as you make it out to be. It's not like he's banging the primer with the point of a rock hammer."

It is exactly as dangerous as I make it out to be. How can someone with no knowledge or training put forward something of this nature, for other untrained and unqualified people to follow. You are telling people, the general public to tamper with 1.4 Cat Explosives, I guarantee the Manufacturer would not approve of this aswell!

I don't care to listen to whatever practical reasoning you may put forward. I am a serving Military Officer and Ammunition and explosives should be handled with respect. You should not, EVER take apart any live ammunition. To do so no matter how careful you are is fool hardy and extremely dangerous. If you think it is cool, or clever or safe you are completely wrong. If you did this in the British Military you would quite rightly face Court Martial and prison. Regardless of any technical reasoning as to why it was safe to do, it is no defence whatsoever to say you knew what you are doing because I read up on it the Internet or in a Book.

It displays a casual disregard for safety, you own and others. It advocates the taking apart of Cat 1.4 explosives by an untrained, unqualified person. Furthermore it encourages Children and Adolescents nevermind adults to do this. It cannot, must not be condoned.

Before you all start braying like sheep about being a Tree hugging lefty, this is not about politics its about common sense and protecting life. Remember all the other things around weapons "Pistoliers Codes" etc are all based around the fundamental premise of safety.

I would never accept a Weapon is unloaded and Safe unless I have proved it to myself to Assume so is irresponsible. To believe you can take apart a shotgun cartridge based on your intrinsic knowledge is for EOD personnel and AMMOTECs not civilians.

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Lolcanoe — GMT

good idea with the birdshot, and thanks for letting me know the size that fits. i think i'll be buying some steel shot though if i can find it bulk.

@ mwnciboo- i was hand loading all of my ammunition long before i could drive. it's really NOT that dangerous. after hand pressing in all the caps, countless numbers mind you, none ever popped on me. and you want to know the CRAZY thing? when you don't like how a load works out in your gun, you put the round INSIDE a hammer and smack it on the ground (CRAAAAZZYYY huh?) to remove the bullet so you can scavenge the brass, primer, powder, and usually bullet. please, get educated on the intricacies of how normal ammunition works before you call it dangerous. if it really was, you wouldn't be able to buy reloading supplies without a special license.

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skycapt44 — GMT

hemingway wrote:
SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:
P.S. it would probably be better to find the shot on its own, though... for one, it's less dangerous because you;re not ripping a shotgun shell apart; and two, the cap is not really what you have to worry about, it's the powder. The local water treatment plant would not appreciate people dumping powder down the drain in mass quantities, and you really don;t want to put it in the trash...

take it out into the woods or anywhere there's dirt and scatter it in loose soil.

Ya cause that's better for the environment. Just don't use shotgun shells. Even hear of ball bearings people? Same thing no risk and no lead. Cool idea but there are better ways.

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MudgeBlack — GMT

mwnciboo wrote:

I would never accept a Weapon is unloaded and Safe unless I have proved it to myself to Assume so is irresponsible. To believe you can take apart a shotgun cartridge based on your intrinsic knowledge is for EOD personnel and AMMOTECs not civilians.

You voice what is, in my opinion, an extremely ignorant and elitist attitude. I would guess it comes from the same mentality that says that only trained professionals (i.e. L.E. and military) should have guns. Was it a good idea to show dissassembly of live ammo in a tutorial that could be viewed by people who are wading in the shallow end of the gene pool could get bad ideas from? Probably not. But your comment about civilians (above) is elitist and offensive. I have been loading ammunition for over 35 years (started at age 8, supervised by my father), all 3 of my children know how to reload and handle ammunition SAFELY. Just because you are not educated or competent on a subject does not mean that others (civilian or otherwise) are not.

"@ mwnciboo- i was hand loading all of my ammunition long before i could drive. it's really NOT that dangerous. after hand pressing in all the caps, countless numbers mind you, none ever popped on me. and you want to know the CRAZY thing? when you don't like how a load works out in your gun, you put the round INSIDE a hammer and smack it on the ground (CRAAAAZZYYY huh?) to remove the bullet so you can scavenge the brass, primer, powder, and usually bullet. please, get educated on the intricacies of how normal ammunition works before you call it dangerous. if it really was, you wouldn't be able to buy reloading supplies without a special license. "

BIG +1

Think, read,research, and use common sense people.

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Viktor von Domm — GMT

yesterday i watched bowling for colombine...for non americans some of the things shown there are hard to understand...that thread helped...

vik

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SoloFalcon1138 — GMT

Viktor von Domm wrote:yesterday i watched bowling for colombine...for non americans some of the things shown there are hard to understand...that thread helped...

vik

Great... before taking that flick as a portrait of America, talk to a real American from the country, like me or swordbrotherjim about how guns really affect America. That movie is a terrible demonization of firearms and gun owners in general.

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Viktor von Domm — GMT

i am more refering in my post about how easy it is to aquire amo and weapons...i have served in the army too and although german military is not generous with amo i felt always safe whan handling weapons. so i am not really afraid of americans. no it is still a bit weird to see people going (then, as mentioned in the film) to k-mart and buy yourself a truckload of amo...
if i have to think about some worthy hand s to keep all the amo safe and snug only me springs to my mind...but sometimes you see people with guns that i think are not even able to do their shoelaces probably...

vik

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SoloFalcon1138 — GMT

Yeah, well many Americans still believe that dropping ammunition will set it off. Frankly, I have taken hundreds of rounds apart and it is no big deal.

And Yes, it is a great thing for us as Americans to have access to firearms. We were founded on the concept of bearing arms, how do you think we won the Revolutionary War against the British?

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Viktor von Domm — GMT

but you do realize that you have no actual war in your own country still to fight, don´t you? so there is no real need to have them weapons still lying around...

vik

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Wulfenone — GMT

Why use a shotgun shell??? throw a couple pennies on the bottom. OP should be more responsible ,

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Lennysmash — GMT

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:And Yes, it is a great thing for us as Americans to have access to firearms. We were founded on the concept of bearing arms, how do you think we won the Revolutionary War against the British?

The French helped you.......... kidding. To be honest though there were a few more factors than everyone had guns.

I would argue that America isn't based on the right to bear arms either, I would probably say it was more to do with the right to self government that sparked the revolution, not that fact everyone wanted to go round locked and loaded.

Back on topic, the idea is novel however, personally, yes there are obviously safer alternatives.
The guys that are saying well I've been handling guns and ammo since I was small, well that demonstrates that you have probably been raised with a healthy knowledge and respect for live ammo. The objection of most people is to the idea of an inexperienced person who doesn't have that knowledge trying the tutorial out.

Lastly before you all say "well its common sense isn't it" I think you put a little to much faith in what is essentially a very rare commodity these days.

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Viktor von Domm — GMT

Lastly before you all say "well its common sense isn't it" I think you put a little to much faith in what is essentially a very rare commodity these days.

thats so sig worthy...

vik

Re:Weighting and Magnetizing bases

brother_zach — GMT

You can't use pennies, to do so would be defacing US currency and would be punishable under federal law.

I did sort of the same thing to get agitaters for my paint. I had some old duck hunting shells around that got wet in the blind. I simply opened the top of the shell with a small edged tool and dumped all of the shot out into a container.

I could have easily ordered shot from Bass Pro or Cabela's, but I didn't. It was an on the fly problem which I shortly found a solution to.

I won't comment on gun control, just know that I moved to Alabama for several reasons.

Re:Weighting and Magnetizing bases

daedalus — GMT

brother_zach wrote:You can't use pennies, to do so would be defacing US currency and would be punishable under federal law.

Actually....

http://www.pressapenny.com/legal.htm wrote:
Penny Presses and the Law

In some countries such as the United States it is the official opinion of the department in authority that the pressing of pennies and other coinage is not prohibited unless there is fraudulent intention either in the pressing of the coinage or its use thereafter. And there are thousands of penny presses in the USA - many operating for decades. In other countries such as Canada and Australia the existing law does not address the pressing of coins into souvenirs. However, in those countries the law prohibits the destruction of the national currency and the legal opinion in those countries holds that the pressing of their national coins into souvenirs is therefore prohibited - but only the nation’s own coins. No country’s law presumes that it can regulate what you do with some other nation’s coinage or currency. In other words if a Swede wants to smash a centavo in Sweden it is perfectly permissible. No country has jurisdiction beyond its own borders over such matters. That is the reason that our international models come with a hopper. The hopper can be loaded with the coins of another country and the pressing of those coins is therefore perfectly legal. You could also put blank tokens in such a hopper but such tokens are quite expensive and less desirable.

In the USA at least, if it's legal to smash a penny to put in a drawer somewhere, then I'm pretty certain it'd be legal to use them as base weights, so long as you're not trying to destroy the US economy with it. I'd argue that people are doing a good enough job of that already though; I'm sure no one would notice.

Re:Weighting and Magnetizing bases

brother_zach — GMT

daedalus wrote:
brother_zach wrote:You can't use pennies, to do so would be defacing US currency and would be punishable under federal law.

Actually....

http://www.pressapenny.com/legal.htm wrote:
Penny Presses and the Law

In some countries such as the United States it is the official opinion of the department in authority that the pressing of pennies and other coinage is not prohibited unless there is fraudulent intention either in the pressing of the coinage or its use thereafter. And there are thousands of penny presses in the USA - many operating for decades. In other countries such as Canada and Australia the existing law does not address the pressing of coins into souvenirs. However, in those countries the law prohibits the destruction of the national currency and the legal opinion in those countries holds that the pressing of their national coins into souvenirs is therefore prohibited - but only the nation’s own coins. No country’s law presumes that it can regulate what you do with some other nation’s coinage or currency. In other words if a Swede wants to smash a centavo in Sweden it is perfectly permissible. No country has jurisdiction beyond its own borders over such matters. That is the reason that our international models come with a hopper. The hopper can be loaded with the coins of another country and the pressing of those coins is therefore perfectly legal. You could also put blank tokens in such a hopper but such tokens are quite expensive and less desirable.

In the USA at least, if it's legal to smash a penny to put in a drawer somewhere, then I'm pretty certain it'd be legal to use them as base weights, so long as you're not trying to destroy the US economy with it. I'd argue that people are doing a good enough job of that already though; I'm sure no one would notice.

I was under the impression that this was against the law as well, but the code is rarely enforced.

Re:Weighting and Magnetizing bases

daedalus — GMT

Well, I pulled that from the company that sells those machines, so take it as you will. I'm willing to risk incarceration on it for keeping my nids standing upright though. Strictly speaking, my tiny amount of cyanoacrylate is hardly "damaging" the coinage.

Weighting and Magnetizing bases

Acardia — GMT

I use smashed fishing weights and a bit of industial putty.

Weighting and Magnetizing bases

shrike — GMT

Viktor von Domm wrote:i certainly would recommend using fishing lead to wheighting the thingies for fishing...not someone thats going fishing latley or ever^^.

as there are many underage persons on this forum i think it is extremly unwise to make such a tutorial. there are so many heavy tiny objects one could use and not refering to live amo....
something like that just asks for dire exidents...

It's called shot. And if I get some really unbalanced models, I'm gonna delve into my tackle box and nick some shot (AKA weights).
They cost about £2 for a small tin.

Weighting and Magnetizing bases

Viktor von Domm — GMT

exeactly, safety first and all that...^^