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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span> classic<br /> <br /> Updated list 3rd comment<br /> <br /> command squad 55,mortar<br /> <br /> platoon command 30<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> 3 mortars 60<br /> <br /> platoon command 30<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> 3 mortars 60<br /> <br /> platoon command 30<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> 3 mortars 60<br /> <br /> 3 scout sentinels, autocannons 120<br /> <br /> sly marbro 65<br /> <br /> 3 leman russ, heavy bolters 510<br /> 3 leman russ, heavy bolters 510<br /> 3 leman russ, heavy bolters 510<br /> <br /> <br /> EDIT UPDATED LIST<br /> <br /> command squad , lascannon, astropath 100<br /> <br /> platoon command lascannon 50<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> <br /> platoon command lascannon 50<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> <br /> platoon command lascannon 50<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> <br /> penal legion squad<br /> <br /> 3 scout sentinels, autocannons 120<br /> 3 scout sentinels, autocannons 120<br /> <br /> sly marbro 65<br /> <br /> 2 leman russ, heavy bolters 340<br /> 2 leman russ, heavy bolters 340<br /> 2 leman russ, heavy bolters 340<br /> <br /> 2500 pts, lots of fun,it might not be good, but could be fun to fight]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ No commissars or special weapons? well safe to say armor and assaults will steamroll you. ]]></description>
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				<title>Re:classical 2500 point imperial guard army</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ command squad , lascannon, astropath 100<br /> <br /> platoon command lascannon 50<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> <br /> platoon command lascannon 50<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> <br /> platoon command lascannon 50<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> infantry squad lascannon 70<br /> <br /> penal legion squad<br /> <br /> 3 scout sentinels, autocannons 120<br /> 3 scout sentinels, autocannons 120<br /> <br /> sly marbro 65<br /> <br /> 2 leman russ, heavy bolters 340<br /> 2 leman russ, heavy bolters 340<br /> 2 leman russ, heavy bolters 340<br /> <br /> 2500 pts, lots of fun,it might not be good, but could be fun to fight well it should do well, lascannons pop transports and russes rain death]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ This list looks fun as hell to play. I would add in Commissars tho, just because i love their fluff]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ fluff wise, oke. but to play with it??? think to other army's...<br /> what can they do with 2500 points...<br /> if you know that, this list is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> nothing... take more anti-tank and special weapons...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ 16 lascannons not enough anti tank?<br /> 18 heavy bolters<br /> 6 battlecannons<br /> 6 autocannons<br /> and a whole lot of awesome?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ omgwtfyouhavenomeltagunsorchimerameltavetssoyou'regoingtoloseamirite?<br /> <br /> It gets on my nerves when people think the only options you have are melta/plasma spam.<br /> <br /> This list looks fun to play, and if it's just a friendly game, why not play something fun?  The only slight recommendations I would have is you could separate your infantry squad lascannons into actual <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HWS</span> and take a lord commisar to cheap their <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>ld</span> in check.  That way you get a little bit more mobility out of your infantry.  ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:27:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ that would proabably be cool, the main thing with the squads os to keep up survivability, however im gonna make a grot commisar and occasionally switch out marbro and a lascannon for it]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:44:56]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>SweetLou wrote:</cite><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span> classic<br /> <br /> Updated list 3rd comment<br /> <br /> command squad 55,mortar<br /> <br /> platoon command 30<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> 3 mortars 60<br /> <font color='red'><br /> Far too Naked for an infantry Platoon, at least give the platoon command a lascannon and meltas to the infantry squads, also try dropping all the mortars for some real Pie plating goodness, valkyries with MRP's, also... GIVE THEM A COMMISSAR. naked infantry squads die and run quick but joined and with a commissar they're fair choices for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> support as 33 attack with 30 wounds to soak up damage will last a while against anything that doesn't have 2 base attacks. </font><br /> <br /> <br /> platoon command 30<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> 3 mortars 60<br /> <br /> platoon command 30<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> infantry squad 50<br /> 3 mortars 60<br /> <br /> 3 scout sentinels, autocannons 120<br /> <font color='red'>Scout sentinels are really only good for putting a lascannon on and getting side shots on vehicles, Armored ones make for good <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> support or stopping that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>str</span> 5 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> squad from running amok in your army. <br /> </font><br /> sly marbro 65<br /> <br /> 3 leman russ, heavy bolters 510<br /> 3 leman russ, heavy bolters 510<br /> 3 leman russ, heavy bolters 510<br /> <font color='red'><br /> Drop one of these to give you points to shore up your infantry, Theres almost nothing that nine leman russes can do that six won't... after a certain point theres just nothing left to shoot, and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>str</span> 8 templates aren't the best tank hunters. you could take three vanquishers though. <br /> </font><br /> 2500 pts, lots of fun,it might not be good, but could be fun to fight</div></blockquote>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ wrong list friend, but yeah im moving down to six russes and a bunch of lascannons]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 Oct 2010 19:19:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ looks fun to play man. I'd give the lascannon <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HWS</span> a thought. I'm sure you realize playing this list that this many lasguns can do incredible damage, and its unfortunate to see a whole squad that could be shooting waste it on one high powered shot. <br /> <br /> My big recommendation is a regimental standard, 12" re-roll morale and pinning is key. I do that combined w/ a lord commissar (unfortunately he affects little w/ 6") to make my horde guard pretty much unbreakable.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ yeah, this is "classic" in that it looks just like a 3rd ed list. Of course, we live in the world of 5th ed now, which means this kind of list will fall apart at the drop of a hat.<br /> <br /> If you want to play a 3rd ed list, you need to play with 3rd ed rules.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:09:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Ailaros]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ now that sounds fun, and i think i might switch, to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HWS</span>, im also tryin to see how i can fit in an alrahem platoon, with 50 infantry, 3X special weapons teams with 3 melta each. but that might have to wait<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(17);'>BTW</span>, should mention this will and is a grot rebelion army]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:59:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:classical 2500 point imperial guard army</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ This would be a nightmare to buy, assemble, and paint. Especially now that guardsmen come in boxes of 10]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>scubasteve04 wrote:</cite>This would be a nightmare to buy, assemble, and paint. Especially now that guardsmen come in boxes of 10</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> ive already got 30 grots, and their only 18 bucks for 10, cheaper when i go through maelstrom<br /> <br /> the sentinels are done, grot style <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"> and the russes will simply be creative weapons platforms, i kinda wanna know what a big monowheel with a huge cannon and 3 heavy bolters and a bunch of grots on it would look like<br /> <br /> and im gonna make a lemon russ..........]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ A couple key points I have to make....<br /> <br /> Vendettas are only 10 more points than those sentinel squads with just about the same survivability, including the fact that they still have scout, so you really are only gaining a lot of things: armor, closed top, guns, twin linked guns, ability to move, and transport for those <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>pcs</span> to make extremely mobile scoring units.<br /> <br /> OoF is almost mandatory <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(71);'>imho</span>, in the light that drop pod armies do nasty, horrible, and in some states illegal things to your infantry lines, and unless you play with a inquisitor with mystics (which could be really cool in the idea of a weirdboy squad with the special character as the lord). <br /> Yes, the first wave will come down no matter what, but you dont want them having any more of a bonus when the guy only costs 30 points to put a little hole in their plan, all you have to do, then, is use your officer as bait or protect him if they spam the pods<br /> <br /> Lascannons should be moved to heavy weapon teams if you are going to make those units viable by being able to move to score objectives.<br /> <br /> Marbo is too much of a one shot wonder to really be used in any tactical way. Yes, it is very fun to play with but I always have found myself unimpressed with his performance and found myself wanting more, having his amount of fun being outweighed by his near uselessness.<br /> <br /> This is what I propose that seems similar to your wants: 2485<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(338);'>ccs</span></span>. oof. straken. (warboss w/powa klaw, with his fighta-bomba interceptor commander)<br /> 175<br /> <br /> lord commissar. camo cloak. (Cuz he's the gunnery commander, he has to hide)<br /> 80<br /> <br /> (Each squad gets a power weapon cuz there's always one grot whose that much more angry, you could even separate these models by just modeling them really mad and painting them red, idk just an idea)<br /> (Each <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>pcs</span> gets flamers cuz they are richer gets with better loot)<br /> (Gotta have the heavy weapon teams have more than just 2 dudes on the bases cuz the models are so cheap, and cuz these are the big zzzap guns to the grotz which i think kills them accidentally sometimes)<br /> (Commissars can just be the runtherders? idk if runtherders are in grot rebellions)<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>pcs</span>. flamer. flamer. flamer.<br /> infantry squad. power weapon.<br /> infantry squad. power weapon.<br /> infantry squad. power weapon. commissar.<br /> heavy weapons. lascannon. lascannon. lascannon.<br /> heavy weapons. lascannon. lascannon. lascannon.              <br /> heavy weapons. autocannon. autocannon. autocannon.<br /> 500<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>pcs</span>. flamer. flamer.<br /> infantry squad. power weapon.<br /> infantry squad. power weapon.<br /> infantry squad. power weapon. commissar.<br /> 225<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>pcs</span>. flamer. flamer. <br /> infantry squad. power weapon.<br /> infantry squad. power weapon.<br /> infantry squad. power weapon. commissar.<br /> 225<br /> <br /> (Fighta Bombas <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">)<br /> <br /> Vendetta.<br /> 130<br /> <br /> Vendetta.<br /> 130<br /> <br /> (Just awesome looted Wagons. I would reconsider the tank choices, tho. Not a giant fan of the regular leman russ. Might also think about artillery? The grotz were always the ones to use the big guns anyways.)<br /> <br /> Battle Tank. Heavy Bolters.<br /> Battle Tank. Heavy Bolters.<br /> 340<br /> <br /> Battle Tank. Heavy Bolters.<br /> Battle Tank. Heavy Bolters.<br /> 340<br /> <br /> Battle Tank. Heavy Bolters.<br /> Battle Tank. Heavy Bolters.<br /> 340<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(17);'>Btw</span>, I really want to make this army now too. Grotz are so cheap that it just makes me cry to the fact that I just want a second <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> army... I hate you for this.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Nenya97]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i just found 74 old grots on ebay for 30 bucks XD]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ SweetLou]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The lascannon spam list is better since now you have a lot of bodies shielding the poor team! Although I'd swap <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span> on russes for more lascannons!]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ kenshin620]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>imperial commander wrote:</cite>fluff wise, oke. but to play with it??? think to other army's...<br /> what can they do with 2500 points...<br /> if you know that, this list is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> nothing... take more anti-tank and special weapons...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> i am sorry, i didn't read the lascannons <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0"><br /> ignore my first messege]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ imperial commander]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Bodies that are his only real way to score objectives that will rarely move and if he is to make it to the objectves, which make up 2/3 of the missions out there... Doing a lascannon spam in the fashion you propose, will ultimately falter in the loss of his long range anti tank. Infantry will need as much of a boost to keep moving across the table including the inevitable redeployment o your troops to respond your opponent]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Nenya97]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ played today against mech marines, first turn managed to pop every vehicle he had on the table, from then on the whole game was a wreck for him, lascannons can even be used to pick on marines.....................or terminators.<br /> <br /> anyway i think i might make some HWteams for a few groups because i was way too static]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ SweetLou]]></author>
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				<title>classical 2500 point imperial guard army</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah at 2500 points you gotta give your opponent target saturation so for hem taking those elite units dragging down their model count start costing more than just points but become a strategic liability.<br /> <br /> I think i will begin collecting my own grot rebellion army once i get my orks sold off<br /> <br /> Gotta say maybe moving down to artillery guns instead of lemans might be best or using the rear AV11 russes might be a tad bit more seful<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Also which list did ya use?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 11 Oct 2010 03:26:37]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Nenya97]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i used the lascannon spam list of mine<br /> <br /> im considering dropping the russes for artillery (dunno what tank yet) and some EXECUTIONERS :p<br /> <br /> might make some ogryns]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:23:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ SweetLou]]></author>
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