<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops ."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . BA army. He never went aginst SoB. As he was Mowing down my SoB in assault combat . [With: Int 3, Tough 3, Str 3 and most have a WS of 3] it was easy kills.

He asked" Do you have any assault troops that are any good?"



SoB units for Assault Combat: [ Yes, Faith points are helpful but the army should not rely on them. ]

*Flying nuns do not do any good aginst a assault army with Int 5. { Blessed Weapon and Eviscerator are powerful. If you can live to get your assault attack.) I don't want to Have to pump faith points to make them useful.
Flying nuns Will a be a seperate thread, there are lots of opinions


*(Jumppack unit) Seraphim Squads are not any good, unless you use melta bombs and go after vehicles. It still comes down to: Str 3, Tough 3 and attack stat of 1. They do have INT of 4 and come with a Icon that lets them roll a extra die for faith tests.{Simulacrum Imperialis} I have not had any luck using them as Assault Troops, Holding ground vs. SM or Eldar assault troops.

*Sisters Repentia have Eviscerators. They have to footslog it out, No vehicles allowed. There is still the Tough of 3 and a Save of 4+. They get mowed down easy.(If I saw a group of angry women with mega ChainSwords, I would target them early also)

*Arco-Flagellants require a Priest @ 40 pts + gear, to field them. I have never used these. They also have to footslog it and Can't be join any unit.
They move and attack using 1d6. If a 6 is rolled they are dead. I am very good at rolling the number I don't want. [They do look like Fun, something to be used in a silly fun game]

*Celestian Squads (elite/retnue) Have WS of 4. Holy hatred: Hitting on a 3+. But they have STR 3,Tough 3. No equipping them as assault Weapons. They are a Faithful Unit and do add 1 faith point.

*Battle Sisters don't stand a chance. When there is 2 or 3 models still trapped in assault, I would like to have them flee. So the other units can shoot up the assaulters.

I welcome advise. I am basing the above by own experiance going aginst: Mech Eldar,SM( Salamanders & DA)
My Sob have never won a game in a year of play. A SoB Hord army did the best.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2005948.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2005948.page GMT Re:Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . SoB is not really an assault army. They're a shooty army that is designed to not immediately fall over in assault. There's a simple way to deal with assaulty armies. Mech up. Take rhinos, dominion squads with immolaters and flamers. A seraphim squad with hand flamers. Use your faith points wisely, and yes, SoB have to rely on their faith points. That's what makes them different from guardsmen in power armor. Let him assault your vehicles to wreck them and then hit them with AP 1 flamers with Divine Guidance or whatever it's called. Make him come to you and you be ready for him, rather than the other way around.

You're playing Warhammer with him. Get him to play Warhammer with you instead. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006091.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006091.page GMT Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops .
resinmann wrote:
*(Jumppack unit) Seraphim Squads are not any good, unless you use melta bombs and go after vehicles. It still comes down to: Str 3, Tough 3 and attack stat of 1. They do have INT of 4 and come with a Icon that lets them roll a extra die for faith tests.{Simulacrum Imperialis} I have not had any luck using them as Assault Troops, Holding ground vs. SM or Eldar assault troops.


The reason you are losing every game is that you do not seem to understand that Sisters are a mid range army. Seraphim are not just good they are great, and one of the best options in the list. The question that your statement raises is why on earth would they be in combat in the first place? and secondly do you not see that they have hit and run, so if they do get charged you flee at the end of combat and on your turn blast the grouped up unit with 2 twin linked flamers and a ton of TL bolt pistols that all have rending (best faith point ever spent)


As soon as I find some time I am going to wright up a Sisters tactica for 5th... since no one around seems to have one that is worth a damn. I have to go right now but I will post a sample list and some basic tactics in an hour or two.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006099.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006099.page GMT Re:Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops .
Cannoness, MoO, Inferno Pistol, Eviscerator, Rosarius, BoSL
8 Seraphim + Veteran, 2 flamers, eviscerator and rosarius

Dominion Squad + Veteran , 3 flamers, Immolator

BSS + veteran, 2 flamers, eviscerator, Rhino
BSS + veteran, 2 flamers, eviscerator, Rhino
BSS + veteran, 2 flamers, eviscerator, Rhino

2 Exorcists

I'm not much of a Sisters player, but that gives you 8 Faith points (if my counting is correct), and three troop choices at 1500 points. DO NOT charge the BA with your Seraphim. Cause as much damage with the rest of your army upfront, and then have the Seraphim clean up what's left.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006156.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006156.page GMT Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006212.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006212.page GMT Re:Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . OP idea that you shouldn't need faith points to make hes army good. It the ace in the hole, it would be like Orks going into battle with out PK and wondering why they get there ass handed to them. It's part of your army if the didn't need then to win, they wouldn't have made the rules in the first place.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006293.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006293.page GMT Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops .
1 Canoness w/ power weapon, book of st. lucius, bolt pistol, litanies of faith
1 Priest w/ power weapon, bolt pistol
1 Celestian superior w/ power weapon, bolt pistol
5 Celestians
2 Celestians w/ melta guns
1 rhino w/ extra armor, smoke

It generates 13 power weapon attacks that you can have go at either initiative 6 or initiative 1 (for the +2 strength). To remove a power weapon you must first kill 7 of the sister's since nothing in the unit is an independent character. On the average it will kill 8 marines on the turn it charge's without factoring in any of the basic sister's attacks.

The bad side of it is that it costs 350ish points to field. Not really all that effective of a use of points but fun to do every now and then.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006329.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006329.page GMT Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006371.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006371.page GMT Re:Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . SoB army. I wanted to know if there are any units that can stand Assault combat.
I know that SoB are short range rapid firring death squads.
I stopped using Rhino's because the enemy will be in my face by turn 2 or 3.


My most recient list:
12 Battle sisters with 2 flamers unit X 3 and 1 unit of 10 BS with 2 melta guns. 46 Battle sisters. I used Flamers to thin them down and Rapid Fired on the rest. BUT some buggers survived. Armor saves and Feel no pain does work.

Rapid Fire range is 12". Models move 6" and Assault 6". I don't plan to get into assault. It's the BA fault, for surviving my flames and bolter shots!
I have gotten Many SoB lists from Dakka posters, as well as Tactics. I run the Cheese list: 3 Exorcist,3 Dominion squads with Immulators. The Celestain and Cannoness also get a Immulator. Moving 12" and still able to shoot the TL HF is the BomB!



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Thank you Daedaius for the input.
seraphim squad with hand flamers. Use your faith points . Let him assault your vehicles to wreck them and then hit them with AP 1 flamers with Divine Guidance
Thank you.

With large units or just units of 10, I have a difficult time rolling Over the unit size.
[Passion,+2 int: Light o'emperor,Fearless :and SotMarter,Invo save. All require to roll Over the unit size.]

I underestimated Divine Guidance. Faith is great but sometimes we don't pass the faith test.

Divine Guidence with With 20 rapid fire bolter shots and 2 flamers. Is that correct? The Faith roll would be easy(without bad dice rolls) That is a great idea. Now I just have to roll lots of 6's.

How would you the Seraphim units to their best. More info please {Sob tactics for Dummies,(me)} I do like the fact they have a Simuacrum Imperialis is nice. I never had much luck with them. When I had a full Mech army, they were the only foot troop to target. They got shot up bad.
Sometimes we get sucked into assault combat and there is nothing we can do about it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006666.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2006666.page GMT Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . AoF off because of their 3 dice. Since each is armed with 2 weapons (2 pistols) they each get 2 attacks, 3 on the charge. So other than the strength, not a bad attack group. You can also boost the strength, at the cost of I, and if you are fighting something higher Initiative, might as well. S8 eviserators instant death characters, and S5 CC attacks wound most things on at least a 3.

It is relatively effective, just don't expect to be able to take on some of the sillier assault units out their without good use of invul save power. They can do a fair job at tarpitting for a turn or two units, then hit and run away so you can shoot some more.

It might seem like I'm advocating pouring the faith into the unit, because I am. Usually I have at LEAST 8 faith points in my army. my regular squads usually don't need to use any, since they are metla sqauds, not flame squads. The chance of getting a 6 even with 10 RF bolters isn't good enough esp with cover to bother burning one on guidance. So the unit that uses most of the faith is the one that keeps assault squads off the backs of my regular sisters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2007841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2007841.page GMT Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . SoB. However, the living saint and penitent engines have nasty cc potential.

Wouldn't send the penitent engine outside your gunline, but use it as a counter attack unit - the same way IG uses rough riders or ogryns.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2007889.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2007889.page GMT Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . hth weapon.

On your opponent's turn, hit and run the seraphim but keep the canoness in hth to lock them down. On your turn charge, rinse, and repeat.

You can't sustain it because this strategy eats through faith...but if you need a unit to die, the seraphim can do it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2010278.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2010278.page GMT Re:Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops .
8 Seraphim + cannoness. Use faith to make canoness 2+ save. Use divine guidance to make seraphim rending.

Ok. Rolling 8 or less could be do able, with rolling 3 dice. [With divine Guidance we must roll 6's on the wound roll for Rending.]

If they need the initiative, spend the faith point. Use the I-saves to keep them alive.
The Passion(+2 Int) We have to roll over. {9,10,11} This roll seems to be difficult. The same with SotM,Invo save has to roll the same.

We should not depend on makeing those Difficult AoF rolls. There are chances we can just roll real bad and fail the test.
Like Noir said [Faith is our Ace in the hole ]

Make sure both units have the book. the seraphim have the item faith on 3 dice. Canoness needs an appropriate hth weapon.
The Seraphim come with the Simulacrum Imperialis. I use to give the cannoness the Blessed Weapon.
The 2 books; 1 for the Cannoness and the other goes to the VSS seraphim?

On your opponent's turn, hit and run the seraphim . On your turn charge, rinse, and repeat

Let me get this clear. I let the Seraphim get charged. Fight 1 round of combat. Jump back after combat. Then charge in my turn.
Why does the cannoness stay behind?
Are you breaking the Cannoness off early enough not to eliminate the "jump back" ability on the Seraphim?

I see some of the logic. I would get all models out of assault combat: Shoot with flamers and pistols,Then charge.

I have only read tactics and how to use the army from 2 or 3 people. I want to learn how to build the list and use it properly.

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Give the cannoness BoSL, LoF, and BW. Give the seraphim 2 hand flamers and either a PW or Evicerator as points allow. They will need a lot of support and faith points (but that unit generates 3 plus a free act anyway) but when used right they own.

If you are looking for a straightforward powerful assault unit that doesn’t need support or much tactical prowess you have the wrong army, it just doesn’t exist in that book.
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A 350+ point unit that requires a lot of support and faith points and skillful finesses can't qualify as "best" in anything. Adequate maybe, but best?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2014254.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2014254.page GMT Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops .
In this fact, lots of special weapons, armour support, lack of goodness in melee army wide (apart from expensive units like repentia and flagellants) and awesome amounts of firepower is what we are looking for.

If I had money, and they were plastic, I would collect sisters, because they replace lasguns with boltguns.


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Forgot to add that you can shoot meq armies to gak with that many boltguns, storm bolters, and heavy bolters, but your going to seriously suffer at the hands of the blood angels, because of FNP. Overpowered I say!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2014867.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2014867.page GMT Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops .
Sisters are not an assault army.

They are a short-mid range shooting army. The 'best' assaulter in a sisters army is a Nun of Doom, who doesn't really kill much, but can tie practically anything up for a long time.

You can also listen to BishopX, a 30 man platoon with Commissar, a smattering of PW and MB and a WH Priest (so it is not an IC) is pretty assaulty.

Other than that, the whole 'Seraphim are an assault unit' thing is bunk. Seraphim are a shooting unit that hides in assault so as not to get shot and then H&R's to shoot again the next turn.


The only assault role Sisters are good at is Tarpitting. Death Company? Throw sisters with Martyr at them to bog them down for a couple turns. TH-nators? Throw a Canoness at them (at 'Ard Boyz, I tied a Assault Termy squad down for 5 rounds of combat before I won.)

TLDR: 1) Listen to Clthomps and forget the rest. 2) Sisters don't win assaults, they bog them down.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2015242.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2015242.page GMT Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops .
Saying Sisters don't win assaults isn't accurate. What they do is win combats slowly.

But yes, sisters of battle are not a hth army.


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Jaon wrote:SOB are not space marines. SOB are Imperial Guard with bolters and power armour, always assume this.

In this fact, lots of special weapons, armour support, lack of goodness in melee army wide (apart from expensive units like repentia and flagellants) and awesome amounts of firepower is what we are looking for.

If I had money, and they were plastic, I would collect sisters, because they replace lasguns with boltguns.


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Forgot to add that you can shoot meq armies to gak with that many boltguns, storm bolters, and heavy bolters, but your going to seriously suffer at the hands of the blood angels, because of FNP. Overpowered I say!


This isn't quite accurate either. Unlike guard, they have very very little mid/long range shooting. The flamer has 8" range. The melta has 12" range. Rapid fire bolters have 12" range. They've got a longer threat range than that, but to shoot you effectively have to commit units. What you don't kill with shooting WILL assault you. In a perfect world, you'll get out of your rhino and shoot whatever it is dead. In reality it doesn't work like that.

I went back and read your orignal post, and ah, I see. No one explained to you how sisters of battle work. The blood angels player was using his experience to comment on your army. Yeah, sisters of battle have 2 things going for them: They don't run away and faith. Other than that they are marines minus. Of all the short ranged shooty armies, they put out more firepower than most because of divine guidance, flamers, etc. But they are NOT marines...so they mostly suck in hth.

You need two components to make sisters work: A method of popping transports/tanks/monsters/tarpits effectively (usually the exorcist, but it's not the only choice)

And a way to put out damage on the troops out of their transport. The two most common methods are immo spam or massed rhino sisters.

Seraphim are a shooty unit, not a hth unit. They double as a hth unit to finish weakened units off...but you don't rush in and beat things up in hth with them unless there is a need.

No no no..what you can't shoot dead, you sacrifice sister units to tarpit, so the rest of your army can shoot the rest of his army dead. If said sacrfice whittles the enemy unit down with some wounds, all the better. The idea is to concentrate most of your force on a small portion of his. Both styles do this, regardless if rhino built or immo built.

In that regard, your canoness is by far the best at doing this. Mine die pretty much every game I play, 2+i save or not, doing this horrific duty. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2015826.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2015826.page GMT Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops .
Clthomps wrote:
The reason you are losing every game is that you do not seem to understand that Sisters are a mid range army. Seraphim are not just good they are great, and one of the best options in the list. The question that your statement raises is why on earth would they be in combat in the first place? and secondly do you not see that they have hit and run, so if they do get charged you flee at the end of combat and on your turn blast the grouped up unit with 2 twin linked flamers and a ton of TL bolt pistols that all have rending (best faith point ever spent)


^--this x 7

canonesses are total beasts in CC with their 2++ and BW. celestine is quite tough. depending on your level of fluff, penitents are doomsday if you can keep them up long enough to counter charge. if you cough up a few points for a token inquisitor, grey knight termies and GKGMs are obviously grand. eversor and callidus assassins can pull their weight, DCAs can also tie up units pretty well and if they're used right they can force assault units into fire tunnels.

fluffy, ridiculous armies can be competitive if they're played to their strengths.

i guess it depends on your style of play and your approach to the game and the army. if you want to find reasons why WH can't or shouldn't field assault troops, you'll do it--what the thinker thinks, the prover proves. but i think your best chance at *beating* an assaulty army is mech sisters with melta/flamer spam. but what do i know? my practical knowledge is pretty limited. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2015922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2015922.page GMT Re:Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . SoB are a Short range shooty army. The last few games, I deployed large Battle Sister units without rhinos. Set up in gunlines, I go for the 24" bolter shots. The enemy that lives, moves 12". I try to move up the flamers. SoB units Rapid fire and burn what we can. Enemy models survive.
tonight it was a pain boy providing Feel No Pain
The enemy Closes and assaults the Battle sisters.
Some players[most] have heard of "Art of War". They are doing what it says.
SOB ARE NOT ASSAULT TROOPS, THEY ARE SHORT RANGE RAPID FIRING ARMY. Their weakness is Assault. Just assault the SoB and you have a good chance of winning. In my area a lot of people play their army aggressively.Assault.

I try to avoid Assault when I can. Celestians have Holy hate and hit on a 3. They are better that the Battle Sisters. If I get to choose what unit is charged I want it to be them. Hopefully, The unit got shot up and only a few models make it to assault.
I do own several box sets of Seraphim and don't plan on "dusting them off" and add to the force I am working on.

Some posters have had success with Seraphim and Cannoness. Don't bash them. If we can overcome our weakness, that is a good thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2016022.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2016022.page GMT Re:Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops .
resinmann wrote:We are going in circles. Yes, Everyone knows SoB are a Short range shooty army. The last few games, I deployed large Battle Sister units without rhinos. Set up in gunlines, I go for the 24" bolter shots. The enemy that lives, moves 12". I try to move up the flamers. SoB units Rapid fire and burn what we can. Enemy models survive.


Either mech up or give eviscerators to your sergeants. Most armies don't work so well foot-slogging anymore though.

THere's a phrase I use in reference to sisters and mech that I picked up somewhere. "He who bails, fails." It means stay in your transport until absolutely necessary. It is our shooting, assault and psychic defense. There are very few instances when this is not true.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2016396.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2016396.page GMT Re:Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops .
"He who bails, fails." It means stay in your transport until absolutely necessary. It is our shooting, assault and psychic defense

Using Rhino's has been very difficult. I get them out too soon or too late. They really earn the name "flamming coffins".

Spearhead set up for a SoB Mech army is difficult, for me. I like the BS gunlines. I admit, I do need some way to get the scoring troops to the objectives.

The last game vs BA, the Exorcist killed all of his Laserbacks and Rhino's in turn 1 (I went first).
I am sure that if he went first, he would have done the same to me. Rhino's are always good targets. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2017761.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2017761.page GMT Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops .
I have trouble imagining a food Sisters army that works well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2017773.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2017773.page GMT Re:Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops .
resinmann wrote:
"He who bails, fails." It means stay in your transport until absolutely necessary. It is our shooting, assault and psychic defense

Using Rhino's has been very difficult. I get them out too soon or too late. They really earn the name "flamming coffins".

Remember that you can shoot out the top. I run 10 girl sister squads with HF and MG. That's enough to slow most folks down when staying in. I only pop out if I can wipe out the squad I'm firing at or need to tie someone up. (or get forced out of course).


Spearhead set up for a SoB Mech army is difficult, for me. I like the BS gunlines. I admit, I do need some way to get the scoring troops to the objectives.

Choo-choo the rides. Put your rhinos/immos/exos in complementary formations that provide cover based on your opponent and the existing terrain.


The last game vs BA, the Exorcist killed all of his Laserbacks and Rhino's in turn 1 (I went first).
I am sure that if he went first, he would have done the same to me. Rhino's are always good targets.


He only had 3 laserbacks/rhinos and you had 3 exorcists? Remember that Exorcists are D6 shots at the same target. That being said, Exos rip stuff up. I heart them and always run 3.


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The Grog wrote:
I have trouble imagining a food Sisters army that works well.


1x Canoness with BOSL and Evis, JP. Cloak of St A. 115
1x Canoness with BOSL and BW, JP, Mantle of Ophelia, MeltaBombs 120
15 Sisters with Vet and Evis, BOSL, MG/MG 229
15 Sisters with Vet and Evis, BOSL, MG/MG 229
12 Sisters with Vet and Evis, BOSL, MG/MG 229
12 Sisters with Vet and Evis, BOSL, MG/MG 229
4 x Priests with Evis 260

Exorcists x3 405

1750

Should be entertaining as crap and potentially annoying. A solid wave of girls walking across the board. 56 girls and 3 Exorcists.

Not sure that it is 'competitive' but it is straight forward and 'works'. Hide the canoness's behind the walls of girls and use them to slingshot squads into people or tie up deathstars by themselves. Girls can rapid fire or assault as necessary. Hide the exos behind terrain and use them to snipe transports (exos are great for this since they fire from the tall turret, but you can't see the hull).

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there are NO units that can win combat super fast in a sisters of battle list that are worth the points you spend on them.

That said

2 jump cannoness with Mastercrafted evisorators, books, cloaks, one with a mantle, and bolt pistols can hold up some of the best close combat units in the game... possibly even beat them with some luck.

As the game gets into an MSU style, these 2 models running around together stronger.

They form a unit that allows you to autopass the passion (faith) and beat up vehicles and infantry equally

I'd suggest (this is the list I won the conflict gt 2009 with and took 14th over all Baltimore 2008)

2 jump cannoness

3 units of sisters in rhinos with book on vet, heavy flamer, and melta gun
1 unit of 7 greyknights with 2 psycannons

3 exorcists

1 DH inquisitor with psycannon tarrot, 3 heavy bolter servitors, 2 mystics, and a sage

came to 1750 or so.

BUT changes I'd make with the way the game has gone... are a bit different.

instead of the heavy flamers, my sister squads would be double melta.

Some units in sisters, that in a vaccuum are ok and can be independent:
1) 10 sisters in a rhino with 2 meltas and a book, or melta and Heavy flamer,
2) 20 sisters with 2 meltas, vet with book, evisorator, and priest attached with an evisorator
3) double jump cannoness
4) some people like these... but I don't (seraphim)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2018507.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2018507.page GMT Re:Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . SB units. With the info provided, I came up with Celestain are the best SoB foot units. ( I will leave Seraphim alone for now)

I take Dominion squads for the Immulator and for the special weapons.
Celestian with 5 sisters (no VSS) and having 2 melta guns is the same point cost As the Dominion unit w/ 2 melta guns.
the celestians are faithful unit 1 faith point. They have WS 4 and Holy hatred, Hit on a 3+.
I want to avoid assault cambat if possiable but If I Had to have a unit assaulted it would be them.

If SoB are not an assault army. Should I give my cannoness assault weapons or Just Bolter, Cloak and a Book of SL?


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I know this is not the Proper place for army lists but I want to show I am using the input provided. I do have 42 points leftover and ways to use the points. I started with BS hord with fly nun and 2 Dominion units army list.

Points: 1500 . Sisters of Battle: 6 Faith Points. 42 pts extra.

HQ:[72]
Canoness ( 72pts total ) Bolter, Cloak of St. Aspira,Book of SL
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Elite:[295] Faithful unit 2 faith points

Celestain : 5 Sisters MeltaGun X 2 (20) Immolator: TL HF {Joined by Cannoness}[150]
Celestain : 5 Sisters Multi-melta, Immolator: TL HF Foot Powered [ 145]Not moving until MM is destroyed.
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4X Troops [686] 2 faith points
12 Battle Sisters, 2 X Flamers,VSS, Book,[163] Foot Powered X 2
10 Battle Sisters , 2 X Melta guns, Rhino [180] X 2
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Heavy Support (405)
3 Exorcist Vehicle

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42 points leftover.
Options:
#AExtra Armor X 4 (20pts),Smoke X 4 (for rhinos and immolators ) Power weapon for Cannoness.
#B 3 Power weapons, Cannoness and 2 VSS/ Vehicle Smoke X 4(12pts)
#C 3 Battle sisters troops(33pts)/ Flamer for Celestian unit w/ MM,3 extra points
#D Blessed Weapon (30pts)/Must remove bolter.Extra armor for Rhino(10pts) 4 points leftover.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2021210.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2021210.page GMT Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . IMO

Also looks like quite a nice list, not sure I like the idea of facing 3 Exorcists, least until I get to fire back ^^

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I know this is not the Proper place for army lists but I want to show I am using the input provided. I do have 42 points leftover and ways to use the points. I started with BS hord with fly nun and 2 Dominion units army list.

Points: 1500 . Sisters of Battle: 6 Faith Points. 42 pts extra.

HQ:[72]
Canoness ( 72pts total ) Bolter, Cloak of St. Aspira,Book of SL

Add 20 points for a JP (if you want Fly Nun) and grab an Evis (25) or BW (30) and BP (1). Just a bolter isn't going to do anything for you. Also, I recommend against retinues for the Nun, because it makes it harder for her to make her faith checks.


Celestain : 5 Sisters MeltaGun X 2 (20) Immolator: TL HF {Joined by Cannoness}[150]
Celestain : 5 Sisters Multi-melta, Immolator: TL HF Foot Powered [ 145]Not moving until MM is destroyed.

As I mentioned in PM, I REALLY recommend against the MM on the Celestians. They are much better off with 2xMeltas in a Vehicle than standing still and getting shot or assaulted.


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4X Troops [686] 2 faith points
12 Battle Sisters, 2 X Flamers,VSS, Book,[163] Foot Powered X 2
10 Battle Sisters , 2 X Melta guns, Rhino [180] X 2
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If you can get the points, I would go with a Rhino for the Sisters. My standard loadout for a sisters squad is 10xSisters, Rhino (EA/S), VSS with Book and Melta, HF. 209, btw. Little bit spendier, but they can handle anything that is thrown at them. Even if you don't go that crazy, drop 2 sisters and get a rhino, you have the spare points. Also, without a VSS in the second squad, they are not faithful.


Heavy Support (405)
3 Exorcist Vehicle

Is there actually another HS choice in the Codex?


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42 points leftover.
Options:
#AExtra Armor X 4 (20pts),Smoke X 4 (for rhinos and immolators ) Power weapon for Cannoness.
#B 3 Power weapons, Cannoness and 2 VSS/ Vehicle Smoke X 4(12pts)
#C 3 Battle sisters troops(33pts)/ Flamer for Celestian unit w/ MM,3 extra points
#D Blessed Weapon (30pts)/Must remove bolter.Extra armor for Rhino(10pts) 4 points leftover.


A: Not bad. I think you should go up to Evis/BW for Can. Str3 PWs suck.
B: Again, Str3 PW suck. VSS without books are not so awesome.
C: Meh, not bad.
D: Better.

If I was going to do it using your criteria:

Can - Cloak, Evis, BP, Book - 101

1xCelestian (5) with MGx2 in Immo with EA/S - 165
1xCelestian (5) with MGx2, VSS with Evis in Immo EA/S - 200 approx

3x Sisters (10) with HF/MG, VSS with Book, Rhino - 209x4 (627)

3x Exo - 135 (405)

= 1498
7 Faith, 41 Sisters, 2 Immo, 3 Rhinos, 3 Exos.
Gives you three scoring, an 'assault' unit, a melta Immo platform and 3 Exos. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2021572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2021572.page GMT Re:Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . SoB. I ran them that way for a year and didn't do well at all. Adding the 2 rhinos is a large step away from the list I want to try. Last game I ran 4 foot troop units with flamers. I did not have any faith. When I ran all units with a VSS,Book, Sometimes it would be better for the lone BS to run away so I can shoot up the opponent unit.
Now I am testing gunlines with 2 scoring rhinos. I think 1 rhino would be too easy to kill off. Big Target.

I sucked at a full mech SoB. I am kinda of going back to the basics. Rhinos were more of a trap than anything else. Most of my opponent come to me. In the past I would move a rhino 6" and need to deploy. I want the sisters to do what they do best Shoot the heck out of units. I want to start the game with most of the BS in gunlines, to take advantage of the 24" shooting. I am hoping to get 2 turns of bolter fire before the enemy gets into Rapid fire range.
I went aginst a Salamander SM. I had the worst time killing off the LRR. He is not stupid. He won't let a model with a melta gun get that close.
I do not have a Celestian Retnue. She is just holding the Book oSL. The cannoness going onher own would make AoF easier.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2022591.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2022591.page GMT Re:Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops .
resinmann wrote:Thank you for the army list. I was getting away with full mech SoB. I ran them that way for a year and didn't do well at all. Adding the 2 rhinos is a large step away from the list I want to try. Last game I ran 4 foot troop units with flamers. I did not have any faith. When I ran all units with a VSS,Book, Sometimes it would be better for the lone BS to run away so I can shoot up the opponent unit.
Now I am testing gunlines with 2 scoring rhinos. I think 1 rhino would be too easy to kill off. Big Target.

Sisters without Faith is really tough. You need the faith to do all the neat tricks that Sisters are known for. Keep in mind the Book can be shut off, if you want to run. And I agree, it is all or nothing for vehicles, lots or none.


I sucked at a full mech SoB. I am kinda of going back to the basics. Rhinos were more of a trap than anything else. Most of my opponent come to me. In the past I would move a rhino 6" and need to deploy. I want the sisters to do what they do best Shoot the heck out of units. I want to start the game with most of the BS in gunlines, to take advantage of the 24" shooting. I am hoping to get 2 turns of bolter fire before the enemy gets into Rapid fire range.

Remember that Rhinos do not need to rush forward, although my favorite tactic is to use them as roadblocks against aggressive armies. The idea is not to deploy. Deployment is the last resort. Stay in and flame/melta while you're in the rhino.


I went aginst a Salamander SM. I had the worst time killing off the LRR. He is not stupid. He won't let a model with a melta gun get that close.

Don't give him a choice. The glory of mech SoB is that you can overwhelm him with targets to confuse his priority. 3 rhinos and 2 immos (the 1500 list I put up) rush up and block his movement, all with Meltas in it. Which one does he kill? Chances are he can't kill all of them. You pop his transports and nuke the troops with Exos.

As an example, I played against a Chaos List last night (granted not optimized).
1750, IIRC he had
2xCSM squads with MG PW MB,
9xKhorne w/PW and Khorne Lord,
9 x Thousand Sons with Sorc,
9xRaptors with Sorc/wings/Gift,
2xOblit.

I zoomed my transports forward in a wall and popped smoke, freezing his advance. Exorcists shot over them and popped the most immediate threat's ride (Khorne lord and Berserkers). He was then stuck behind my rhino/immo wall and had to pop it to move forward.

On turn 2, all my squads were either still in vehicle, or unmolested at his front line. We then melta'd his vehicles and Exo'd and HF'd anyone who popped out. I basically won on turn 2 because I seized the momentum by controlling the battlefield (by parking lot'ing it).

The glory of sisters is cheap transports and units. You can clog the battlefield with AV11 hulls and drown them in T3 3+ save blood. You will outnumber most marine armies 2 to 1 and if you know how to use those advantages, you can win.

Now, if I was walking, I would have maybe gotten 1-2 turns of shooting at his rhinos, maybe popped a couple with Exos, but instead of the battle being fought in the center of the board or on his side of the board, I am now fighting it on mine. I would have lost the momentum and potentially the battle.

There are a few armies that do gunlines well, but the thing they share is long-range shooting. Sisters have very few weapons that fire long range and cannot afford to wait for the enemy to enter the kill zone, they have to place the enemy there and choose the zone themselves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2023548.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2023548.page GMT Re:Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . MM for 2 X melta guns. I want to play the MM 1 more time. I am going to add a flamer to keep the 20 pts free, when I go to Melta guns.
Equip the cannoness with combat gear.
[ I wish I could find the spell checker on dakka.]

Thank you everyone who posted constructive input. Nit-picking may be fun. Dakka is players opinions. We all have our own style and what works at our FLGS/clubs does vary. Correcting a error (My wanting a bolter and a BW on the cannoness)is different.
I am glad to hear this Thread will start other threads. Pertaining to simmilar but sorta/off-topic subjects.
I will use as much as the input that I can, to my force roster. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2024073.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2024073.page GMT Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . SoB can be a lot of fun and do a great job on the battlefield.

The big thing about building a list (was talking to someone about this last night) is not to build the best 'netlist' or whatever, but to build the best list you can with what you have and practice! Familiarity with a list that matches your style of play is the best way to do well.

Per your PM, here's my 1750 list:
Canoness, JP, BP/Evis, BookofSL, CloakofSA
2x10 Sisters w/ MG, HF, VSS w/BookOSL in Rhino (S/EA)
2x5 Celestians w/MGx2 in Immo (S/EA)
1x IG PCS w/MGx3 in Chimera
3 x IG Inf Squad w/Autocannon
1x Commissar (attached to IS Squad)
3xExorcists
WH Inquisitor with Combi-Stake, 2x Warriors (PlasC, PlasG), 2xSages, Psy Hood

IG blobs up and sits on my home objective.

Rhinos, Chimera and Immos move forward to blockade aggressive forces or engage defensive ones.

Inq sits back with IG and takes pot shots.

Canoness either moves forward or hangs back depending on opponent and engages units to tie them up and keep them busy.




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resinmann wrote:Does your wall block your LOS or are all your foot troops still in transports?

They are all in transports.

I can't believe Your rhinos and Immolators are still alive. I would be surrounded by assaulting troops. doing the old trick, block all exits and blow up the vehicle. Killing all the troops inside.

If you line up your vehicles right, they can't block all the exits. Keep in mind that they have to stay 1" away from your units until assault. If your Immos/Rhinos are in a line across the center of the board, they can't move past them or assault them until they are blown (or go around the sides the long way). Even if they do blow your ride, you are now in short range to retaliate or they assaulted you and you are tarpitting them.


Your troops are still in the rhino walls. Don't your vehicles get shot up by the opponent? Dead rhinos are ahinder to me. Sometimes the rhino is killed off in the deployment area. Trapping my exits to move troops and immolators out onto the battlefield. I made doserblades for my SoB (& SW) vehicles just to get past my road block.

Deployment helps here and experience. Against an opponent with say 4 units of long range fire, you can safely deploy abreast in your deployment zone because he has little to no chance of getting everyone. Against armies with high volumes of long range, you would want to use terrain and your own vehicles to obscure yourself.

Keep in mind that even if your vehicles are blown, you can still drive over them and they make just as much an obstacle for your opponent as they do for you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2024151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2024151.page GMT Re:Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops . I copied the cannoness from this site and included them in the first thread, Hope I did n't miss anyone.
www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/322654.page


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With the above: Cannoness,VSS and a Priest I see more of them using Eviscerators more than Blessed Weapons.
[yes, there is only 1/army but I see more Eviscerators ]
Do you guys want to go first in combat with the BW. I guess most of the force lists have a higher INT, you will go last anyway.?

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THe only reason I don't take the eviscerator on my canoness is the image...

The Angel floats down on high, with angelic beauty and grace...

Then pulls the ripcord on her chainsaw and rrrrrrrrrrrr..

Yeah, not so much. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2029183.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2029183.page GMT Are there any good Sisters of Battle Assault troops .
scuddman wrote:Canoness is only initiative 4. That means against most things she strikes simul or worse. She's also tough and survivable. Eviscerator doubles as anti-dreadnought duty, and with the extra strength faith can instant death marine characters.

THe only reason I don't take the eviscerator on my canoness is the image...

The Angel floats down on high, with angelic beauty and grace...

Then pulls the ripcord on her chainsaw and rrrrrrrrrrrr..

Yeah, not so much.


I lol'd. If you check out the canoness mini that they put out nowadays the Evis looks pretty sweet.
Blurry, but gets the point across.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2030149.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/321368/2030149.page GMT