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List 1
HQ
Fateweaver = 333

Troops
Bloodletters x 7 + icon = 137
Bloodletters x 5 = 80
Bloodletters x 5 = 80
Bloodletters x 5 = 80
Bloodletters x 5 = 80

Elites
Bloodcrushers x 4 + Icon, Music, Fury = 200
Bloodcrushers x 4 + Icon, Music, Fury = 200
Bloodcrushers x 4 + Icon, Music, Fury = 200

Heavy Support
Daemon Prince + Mot, Bot, Flight, Breath = 230
Daemon Prince + Mot, Bot, Flight, Breath = 230

Total: 1850

The daemonprinces are overcosted in this list but I had a bunch of points left over. Man wings are overcosted


List 2
HQ
Fateweaver = 333
Bloodthirster + UM, botbg = 275

Troops
Bloodletters x 6 = 96
Bloodletters x 6 = 96
Bloodletters x 5 = 80
Bloodletters x 5 = 80

Elites
Bloodcrushers x 4 + Icon, Music, Fury = 200
Bloodcrushers x 4 + Icon, Music, Fury = 200
Bloodcrushers x 4 + Icon, Music, Fury = 200

Heavy Support
Daemon Prince Mot, Bot, Instrument = 145
Daemon Prince Mot, Bot, Instrument = 145

Total: 1850

Let me know what you think]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2025147.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2025147.page GMT Re:Fatecrusher 1850, please help me decide http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2029927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2029927.page GMT Fatecrusher 1850, please help me decide
you need more troops]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2030289.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2030289.page GMT Fatecrusher 1850, please help me decide
SweetLou wrote:you wont win 2/3 of games with this as your troops are crap, you need at least 10 if not 15 bloodletters to survive even the turn you drop

you need more troops


Say I'm using the first list:

My preferred wave would be

Weaver
Crushers
Crushers
Crushers
Prince
Prince

with the second being

Bloodletters groups x 5

If I get the first group there is no way they will be shooting at my troops until about turn 5 due to reserve rolls and due to the fact that 12 boodcrushers will be smashing their face in.

If I get the second wave I would have to play more creatively. I'll probably have a very very poor setup so I might even need to DS into impassable terrain so I could possibly get a redeployment say if I'm facing Leafblower or long fang spam.

I always thought that bringing hordes of troops for Daemons is like throwing points away.
Bloodletters die the second they hit the ground but they can be an effective secondary charge
Daemonettes are even worse at living trough fire and their models are terribad
Pink horrors are pretty much only a 95 pt bolt that only works half the time due to the current uber-mech meta
Plaguebearers are useless in KP games + they are not any more durable than a bloodletter when every army is toting armour save ignoring CC/Shooting.

I really don't see what bringing more troops would do for the army. I would have more stuff for my opponent to kill, but those points could be invested in something that can take a whole lot more punishment (DPs or wound allocating fun BCs).

Just my 2 cents, I could be completely wrong. Let me know what you think ps. thanks for replying.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2030472.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2030472.page GMT Fatecrusher 1850, please help me decide http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2031847.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2031847.page GMT Fatecrusher 1850, please help me decide http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2032198.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2032198.page GMT Fatecrusher 1850, please help me decide
SweetLou wrote:you need troops to hold objectives


Mind giving some real advice instead of quoting that one line like a broken record?



As for the actual lists, I like v2 more. The crushers are good, but I'd consider dropping the icons from them, although they allow you to play wound allocation games, dropping them would give you 75pts, then if you dropped a single squad of 5 letters and instruments from the princes you could get a third prince in the same setup. Putting 5 MC's down tends to scare people.

Bloodletters are good as a second wave assault unit but you already have so much CC killiness that they are fairly obsolete here. Dropping the rest of them would give you 277 pts left over, with which you could get 2 squads of min PB's for objectives for 150pts. PBs are great objective holders with t5 and FnP, sure plasma and the like cuts through them, but if your opponent is shooting antitank weapons at your PBs and not you MC's/crushers.....GG. With the 120pts left over you could get another crusher for each squad, which would help make up for the survivability lost from losing the icons wound allocation shenanigan, and would boost your hitting power as well.

Anyways, good luck with your daemons! They have a hard learning curve, but once you play them more and get used to their playstyle they become a real beast of an army. Despite what the fluff may indicate and what many people seem to think, daemon armies are more of a scalpel than a club.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2032301.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2032301.page GMT Re:Fatecrusher 1850, please help me decide
I had this list:

HQ
Fateweaver = 333

Troops
Bloodletters x 7 + icon = 137
Bloodletters x 5 = 80
Bloodletters x 5 = 80
Bloodletters x 5 = 80
Bloodletters x 5 = 80

Elites
Bloodcrushers x 4 + Icon, Music, Fury = 200
Bloodcrushers x 4 + Icon, Music, Fury = 200
Bloodcrushers x 4 + Icon, Music, Fury = 200

Heavy Support
Daemon Prince + Mot, Bot, Flight, UM = 220
Daemon Prince + Mot, Bot, Flight, UM, DG = 240



The list did not perform very well. Maybe it's my inexperience with Daemons.

1st game was against mech BA. Mephiston, 2 Razorbacks with tac squads, 2 LR, 2 AC/LC preds, vindi, big termie squad with priest, etc. Mission was 12' deployment with modified KP/VP. I got my preferred wave but had to go 1st as opponent deferred. I had no answer for meph. I though Kairos would tie him up for the majority of the game but even with a DP he still massacred them both. Bloodcrushers were good at killing rhinos/preds/vindis but they had problems catching them. I didn't even attempt to kill the LRs, nothing in my list is worth throwing at them. I definitely could not get a charge with BCs since everything was in a vehicle.

2nd game was against basic marines. Clagar, Librarian, Venerable dread, LR, Tech priest, couple tac squads, big termie squad, etc. Again I got my preferred wave and had no real issues with DSing. Scenario was modified 3 objectives and table quarters with VPs. Set up all my wave on basically 1 side of the table with the majority within the 6' bubble. I slowly pushed across the table with BCs and ended up winning. Again, had no answer for dread, or LR.

Worked Well:
The BCs did their job and moved across the board. I think I got each model down to 1 wound before I lost one of them during each game. If only I could get that charge.......

Performed Poorly:
Kairos was mega fail. He added a lot of needed survivability to the BCs but he died so quickly without really denting anything (Bolt, Breath, DG, Bom, etc. were all pretty much useless). I think I am overestimating his survivability and offensive output.

My DPs were kitted for antitank but they usually never fulfilled this role. They're unlikely to do anything against a LR (especially when it moves) and attacking a Rhino is pretty much guaranteeing that they will not make their points back (i.e. 240 vs 35). My opponent sees my lack of antitank and goes right for these guys and truth be told they aren't very survivable even with Fateweaver.

Bloodletters.....wow...... I think they killed half a tac squad combined for both games. In KP they're a huge liability and in objectives they add nothing to my list. They get mowed down so easily.... I don't think plaguebearers would work much better either. Not with the torrents of low ap fire coming my troops.

What I Can Change:
I really want to add my Bloodthirster with Might and Botbg. I need at least some way to take out a LR.
I want to take the wings off my princes but they look much better with them on.
Bloodletters.... maybe it was the way I used them. I think I need to take near min squads next time.

I hope I can learn from my ugly loss and win.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
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Bloodletters.....wow...... I think they killed half a tac squad combined for both games. In KP they're a huge liability and in objectives they add nothing to my list. They get mowed down so easily.... I don't think plaguebearers would work much better either. Not with the torrents of low ap fire coming my troops.


Small squads of Bloodletters are going to perform just as you've seen. I find slightly larger squads of Plaguebearers to be decent. Camp 10 on an objective and they're probably not going to budge.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2052636.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2052636.page GMT Re:Fatecrusher 1850, please help me decide
Small squads of Bloodletters are going to perform just as you've seen. I find slightly larger squads of Plaguebearers to be decent. Camp 10 on an objective and they're probably not going to budge.


Would you recommend larger units then? I think 8 would be a fluffy number]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2063357.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2063357.page GMT Re:Fatecrusher 1850, please help me decide
Vache Glace wrote:
Would you recommend larger units then? I think 8 would be a fluffy number


Drop the bloodletters all together. If you want to be competative use those points for small squads of Plauge Bearers. If you had large squads of bloodletters they might survive only to do the exact thing the crushers could do better. PBs are better at survining and objective camping which is what you need. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2063392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/322508/2063392.page GMT