<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Chaplain Cassius?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Chaplain Cassius? HQ's for marines. Any inkling why? I mean I can think of a few like that fact hes and ultra, hes a SC, he doesnt contribute any army wide benefit, hes a chaplain which isnt too useful for vanilla (I usually dont see many chaplains either). On the other hand he inst too bad on paper, relativley cheap and while no +2 armor save and only 2 wounds he does have fnp and T6. What would the primary reason be? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036896.page GMT Chaplain Cassius? Firstly attach a Chaplin to a unit and that unit can no longer use combat tactics .
Secondly most people would rather have one of the other HQ for what they unlock or the Librarian for the powers.
Thirdly we have all meched up. Ok that's an over statement but many people do now rely on vehicles.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036916.page GMT Re:Chaplain Cassius?
Most of the vanilla codex is shooty, and if I want assault troops, Im gonna take Vulkan and TH/SS, or pick up a blood angels codex.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036918.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036918.page GMT Chaplain Cassius? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036933.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036933.page GMT Chaplain Cassius?
AllergicToTyranids wrote:No invul save is what stands out to me.
He's got a Rosarius which confers ar 4+ invul.

Cassius is a great deal, he's just over shadowed by the other SCs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036945.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036945.page GMT Chaplain Cassius? CC squad. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036953.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036953.page GMT Re:Chaplain Cassius?
scubasteve04 wrote:Well, he cant take a jump pack or terminator armor. He doesnt really fit anywhere.

Most of the vanilla codex is shooty, and if I want assault troops, Im gonna take Vulkan and TH/SS, or pick up a blood angels codex.


Hmm I guess this is the biggest problem. Unless you are going to have jumpackless vans/assaults (which are wasteful) or give him some scouts he is going to stick solo]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036974.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036974.page GMT Chaplain Cassius? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036989.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2036989.page GMT Re:Chaplain Cassius? FOC choices. He is just a walking Chaplain who can take a ( hard ) punch*.

*As a Death Guard player I take the existence of Cassius with T6 and FNP as a personal insult. The one and only true Nurgle Chaos Lord equivalent in Codex:CSM is Typhus and even he only has T4(5) . ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037034.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037034.page GMT Re:Chaplain Cassius? CC actually is T6.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037188.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037188.page GMT Re:Chaplain Cassius?
cromwest wrote:Cassius doesn't laugh off krak missiles if he is in a squad that has at least 2 other models he is T4. Chaplain's aren't that great in general but if your going to field one on foot Cassius is a decent buy and in CC actually is T6.


Say what?

He gets a 4+ Invulnerable save and FNP against a Krak Missile, and you get to choose to allocate it to him. What are you talking about?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037195.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037195.page GMT Re:Chaplain Cassius? FNP lol. Yeah I guess he does laugh off krak missiles.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037211.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037211.page GMT Chaplain Cassius? FNP gets make it that much worse for ignoring AP3. Many times my captain has been trounced by warbosses because he failed only 1 out of the three PK wounds. Cassius would have laughed that first one off.

While I have never ran him, his cost is good enough over a termy chaplain that running him in a landraider with th/ss termies could work pretty well.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037254.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037254.page GMT Chaplain Cassius? tac squad, though idk why you would. His stats are great, he just has no flexibility.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037365.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037365.page GMT Chaplain Cassius?
PraetorDave wrote:He just doesn't have many options, and doesn't add much over a normal chaplain.


So for 25 points more T6, a Combi-Flamer and FNP doesn't add much?

PraetorDave wrote:He can't take any additionally weapons (though his combi-flamer is pretty good).


Psst. The combi-flamer is an extra weapon.

PraetorDave wrote:Because of his wargear limits, who is he running with? Not termies (no armor),


So what? Who says all the Armor Saves in a unit have to be the same? He also forces a unit that you're assaulting to split their attacks, and onto a WS5, T6 model I might add.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037406.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037406.page GMT Chaplain Cassius? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037411.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037411.page GMT Re:Chaplain Cassius? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037414.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037414.page GMT Chaplain Cassius? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037420.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037420.page GMT Chaplain Cassius?
PraetorDave wrote:He just doesn't have many options, and doesn't add much over a normal chaplain. He can't take a jump pack or terminator armor or a bike. He can't take any additionally weapons (though his combi-flamer is pretty good). Because of his wargear limits, who is he running with? Not termies (no armor), not assault marines (no jump pack), not bike squads (no bike). About the only ones he could go with are Vanguard, or even a normal tac squad, though idk why you would. His stats are great, he just has no flexibility.


LOL? ARe you deepstriking your assault termies? Thats the only reason he couldnt go with the termies...Who takes a chaplin on bike? If you decide to take a chaplin ALWAYS take Cassius (unless you want a chaplin for your craptastic ASM)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037868.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2037868.page GMT Chaplain Cassius? ccw + Bolt Pistol) in a LR. It makes my Guardsmen cry! So many incoming attacks and so many bodies to shoot through before I can target the old crone himself. Nasty.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2042002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2042002.page GMT Re:Chaplain Cassius? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2043353.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2043353.page GMT Chaplain Cassius? FNP, T6, 3+/4++, with bolt pistol, power weapon, and Master Crafted combiflamer loaded with helfire rounds; yes please.

I always load him into my LRC with a full tac Squad that contains a Flamer and a Sgt with a BP+Power sword

8 Re-roll to hit(4 of them at WS5) S4 power weapon attacks is pretty devastating to most units(especially since i use them as Bully-units) as are the remaining 18 re-roll to hit S4 normal attacks. And that is usually done after hitting the unit with 2 Flamer Templates.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2043835.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2043835.page GMT Chaplain Cassius?
Gameplay wise, its hard taking a single HQ for fluff cause captains are ok only when they special characters or maybe on bike with relic blade and if your deploying then you would think most times the leader would go. If your cool to leave out the capt, single HQ libby is the way to go with his free force weapon, hood and 2 powers. Same as a support HQ. Shield said libby with a squad so they have to come get him then shoot the bezeesus out of them across the board before smashing the remenants in CC.

Chaplains are there to keep marines from turning to chaos - best they stay in their chapels in this edition.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2044536.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2044536.page GMT Chaplain Cassius?
Monster Rain wrote:
PraetorDave wrote:He just doesn't have many options, and doesn't add much over a normal chaplain.


So for 25 points more T6, a Combi-Flamer and FNP doesn't add much?

You forgot to mention his Bolter shoots Hellfire rounds as well, which is normally a 10 point upgrade for a Captain (on a bike only).

PraetorDave wrote:Because of his wargear limits, who is he running with? Not termies (no armor),

Why wouldn't you run him with Terminators though? Just because he takes up a little less space in a Land Raider, you're going to decide not to field him? He works just as well as a Chaplain in Terminator armor when assaulting, and like other people mentioned, he's T6, which not many people can wound easily in CC.

Personally, I love playing Cassius in my fluffy lists. My favorite SM IC is Cato Sicarius, and in games at 2000 points or more, I really enjoy playing Cassius alongside Sicarius and a Command Squad or Combat Squad. Just something very gratifying about seeing my fully painted 2nd Company army on the battlefield...

But back to Cassius' practicality, he's an amazing Chaplain choice, and at 25 points more than a normal Chaplain, he's well worth the extra points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2045044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2045044.page GMT Chaplain Cassius? SM Battle Chaplains make a lot of sense. These are not simply Spiritual leaders that might take up arms, they are fervent zealots and exemplary soldiers.

While a rousing oratory just before the battle or on the eve of battle is sufficient for people with little-to-great Faith in the ideology; seeing the priest himself knee-deep in the war-effort all the while chanting litanies and spurning his followers on to greater and greater feats of heroism and faith is the bread and butter of the Space marines/chaplains.

Modern US marines/any other military forces would see the Crusty old soldier-priest as something of a relic and may not suffer him much; but these are Space Marines, they all have a common faith and that faith is at the forefront of their very lives. Every Squad from Scouts to Veterans would be honored to fight alongside a Chaplain(any Chaplain), having such an old Chaplain who has personally overcome as many foes as Cassius, survived the Tyrannic wars, and just plain refuses to quit when taking hits strong enough to lay one of them low would be of such honor that few could even refrain from bragging about it(not even the stuffy Ultramarines).

I would gladly pay an additional 50 points if he had a rule that reflected this such as a better version of liturgies of battle(maybe granting a bonus attack as well as the re-rolls or something similar).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2046493.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/2046493.page GMT Re:Chaplain Cassius? Toughness 6- 20pts
Combi flamer- 10pts
special ammunition- 10pts
Chaplain- 100pts
Always wounding on 2+- priceless]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/3112023.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/3112023.page GMT Chaplain Cassius? Btw before this gets locked, he only wounds on a +2 with his bolter, read the rules a bit more carefully (hellfire boltgun)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/3112044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/3112044.page GMT Re:Chaplain Cassius? TH/SS terms all died before they could swing against a trygon (6 results of 1, woohoo! SS's jinx my invul save rolls ><. He beat it down, and ridiculously survived another 5 rounds of combat vs a tyranid prime a shrike squad and a warrior squad that charged in to try and save it. He's 'ard as nails!

but seriously lock this ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/3112160.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/323265/3112160.page GMT