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Logan Grimnar

Troops
Space Wolves Squad
2 Meltaguns
Power fist
Rhino

Space Wolves Squad
2 Meltaguns
Power fist
Rhino

Elites
Venerable Dreadnought
Heavy Flamer
Assault Cannon
Drop pod

Termiantors
4 wolf claws
4 Storm Shields
Rock fist

Heavy Support
Long Fangs
5 Plasma Cannons

Long Fangs
5 Lascannons

Land Raider Redeemer
Multi melta

He also uses logan's ability to give his lascannon squad tank hunters and also with his power squad in the land raider, which if i destroy his land raider he just takes them back and camps his objective ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2053776.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2053776.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2053791.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2053791.page GMT Re:How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard
Take a Leman Russ/Bassie to evaporate his las cannon long fangs. There goes his long range anti-tank. Now you just need some autocannons/lascannons/long-range anti tank to stop his 2 rhinos and the landraider. Add a power blob or two to take him apart when he hits.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2053849.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2053849.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard lc longfangs and the land raider. Pie plate the longfangs and sacrafice a melta squad to take out the lr.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2054269.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2054269.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard
... a couple out of like 120...

If you insist on a vehicular option, I'd invest in stuff that outflanks. A vendetta with 3x plasma vets is likely to do a pretty serious amount of damage, even when in cover.

So long as you don't try to do a mixed static gunline, there is hope for whatever style you play.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2054278.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2054278.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard SW with 10 ThunderCav with all SS and 15 lang fangs. That just me been a d ick. You going to have to get rid of his anti-tank weapon, then you are in the clear to mop up the rest of his army. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2054325.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2054325.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2056485.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2056485.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard
With few exceptions, EVERY unit in your army should have a gun with S9 or "melta" in it. Do this, and then laugh as LRs bounce off your list.

Perhaps if you posted the list you're running (and/or a battle report), we could help more.

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imperialknight2112 wrote:But for my iimperial guard army all i have to take out the landraider is a vanquisher with pask that always dies to his longfang squad or drop poding dreadnought also like 2 lascannons and a platoon command with meltas in a chimera its never enough.


You'll need to invest in some melta vets then. Melta vets are the only truly reliable anti-AV14 the guard has. Vanquishers, as you pointed out, die quickly or miss too often to be truly effective. I would like to echo the other ideas about on here about blobbing troops together and picking up a reliable way of getting some vets close to the enemy such as a Valkyrie/Vendetta.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2056618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2056618.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard
OverwatchCNC wrote: Melta vets are the only truly reliable anti-AV14 the guard has.

Well, no. PCSs CCSs and SWSs with melta, blobs with melta/meltabombs, manticores, and priests are also great sources of anti-AV14. Meltavets are good, but they're not the ONLY way to handle AV14 with the guard.

It really just depends on what the rest of the list looks like.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2056629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2056629.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard imo the cheapest most effective throw away unit to do that. I would hate to waste a PCS or CCS to pop a raider and then die next turn. Instead of "only truly" I should have said "most".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2056687.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2056687.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard
OverwatchCNC wrote:I guess it is a matter of my view point. I see a squad going after Land Raiders as a throw away unit. Melta Vets are imo the cheapest most effective throw away unit to do that. I would hate to waste a PCS or CCS to pop a raider and then die next turn. Instead of "only truly" I should have said "most".


Platoon Commad Squad is cheaper, more shots with the same odds of landing two hits, but the chance of getting up to four hits. And if you're running a power blob anyways, what else ya gonna do with the PCS? Heck, I run two power bolbs with two Melta PCS......................]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2057302.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2057302.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard PCS as a good vehicle for issuing orders etc. I think it is simply my IG play style that lends me to believe the vets are a better choice. Particularly because I am not usually power blobbing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2057945.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2057945.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard HQ
YARRICK
command squad
2 body guards
medic
standard
vox
grenade launcher

Troops
platoon 2 squads with lascannons and plasma and Krak
PCS
Meltagun
2 flamers
vox
Chimera
Hunter killer
Storm Bolter

platoon
PCS 2 sqauds with missile launchers
Grenade launcher and Krak
3 grenade launchers
vox caster

Heavy support

vanquisher
pask and Multi meltas

executioner
plasma cannons

basilsk
1500pts
what do i need to take out or improve ?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2059723.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2059723.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard
Post this up on the army list forum for a more detailed critique.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2059769.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2059769.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard and the command squad because in my last game it killed abbadon ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060150.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060150.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard
Also the wolf spent too many points on a LR. LRs bounce off guard like nobodies business]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060154.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060154.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard LC's, and a more reasonable but still impressive 80 points for the missila launcher units. IMHO, infantry squads are just too vulnerable to cost more than maybe 65 points. My friend plays guard, and he swears by the autocannon/vox-caster combo. That vanquisher, likewise, is costing you 235 points, where a regular russ--which would probably do you better, both in this particular battle and generally, would cost only 150, plus sponsons.

More specifically:

--knock the pintle gun and HK missile off of that chimera

--your platoon command squads should spam something: grenade launchers are ok, but I'd prefer flamers

--generally speaking, infantry lascannons aren't worth the points: 3 of them sets you back 120 points, whereas for the same amount and a fast attack slot, you could have them all twin-linked, moving and with AV's via the vendetta

--I recommend cutting your infantry back, you want either meltaguns or a heavy weapon, but both is too much

So, if you follow my advice, you'll save about 165 or so points, which, if you play a smaller battle, will work in your favor. If not, that's almost another entire russ, i.e. one more chance to blow away your opponent's long fangs before they can shoot. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060220.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060220.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060456.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060456.page GMT Re:How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard AT models leadership to 2 and you pin them with ratlings. then you can send out tanks (preferably demolishers) to deal with the rest. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060516.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060516.page GMT Re:How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard
Take some not too useless IG army and these wolves shouldnt be a problem.

2 manticores and 3 dettas and 2 hydras should stop everything he has. The rest can be finished with plasmagunners and powerblobs.
he wont have a nice day...

As a wolf you can field far more firepower to outshoot the guards.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060551.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060551.page GMT Re:How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard Ven dread
wolf tooth necklace
extra armour
assault cannon
heavy flamer
drop pod
235 points
Also this thing comes down first turn which you all seem to be forgetting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060772.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060772.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard
He has been beating all the time

Also he has earned the nickname that f'ing guy on this site ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060805.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060805.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard
imperialknight2112 wrote:This is my friend

He has been beating all the time

Also he has earned the nickname that f'ing guy on this site


This guy sounds like A RULES LAWYER and a very nice person. But that is just my opinion.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060823.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2060823.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard TWC from Chaos Knights a run against him yet? IG hate TWC from what I have seen.

I have to agree that the more firepower you take in the form of Medusa/Manticore/Hydras/Vendettas as well as a Psyker battle squad the better your chances are against Wolves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2061116.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2061116.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard IG list that can sort out his Long Fangs within a turn or two. Redeemers aren't really very scary and you can basically ignore it for a turn. Concentrate AT on the Rhinos on turn 1, and position a decoy unit for his Redeemer to chase after. Something he'll want to charge his Terminators into, but that you can move back and refuse.

Drop-Dreads are one-shotters and not really scary unless they're using that ridiculous Lucius Pattern pod. They'll kill what they were going to kill anyway and then you can meltagun them into oblivion on your turn. Venerable dreads can get lucky... but as long as you stop the damned thing from moving for a turn or take off the DCCW you're pretty well off.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2061379.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2061379.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2061392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2061392.page GMT Re:How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard LC instead.

HK missile for IG is BS3 while BS4 for SM. Don't take for IG.

Low on meltas, as everyone has commented. If you don't want to change your squads too much, use the saving from Yarrick to add some meltabombs to squads.

Maybe add normal commissar to PCS and chuck in some power weapons/fists as well. You need to be able to kill those terminators once the LR has been popped ...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2061549.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2061549.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2062411.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2062411.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2064043.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2064043.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard
imperialknight2112 wrote:I'm going to keep yarrick for the simply reason that i put him with a troop choice on my objective and then when the squad is wiped out by his power squad and he dies he contests the objective when he gets up almost making sure I never loss my base objective, because its doubtful im getting it back.


It isn't doubtful at all if you build a good list, which includes dropping him.

He's incredibly overpriced. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2064137.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2064137.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard HWS's or A russ of some sort. Take Creed and outflank a Bane Wolf, I only did it once, not super effective, but my oppenent was sweating bullets.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2064226.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/324251/2064226.page GMT How do I beat this space wolf army with Imperial Guard on the army list forum to further critique the list.

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*Yarrick is way too over priced for a 1500 point game.
-I could have one Yarrick or one more Melta Vet squad with Chimera, and sergent with Plasma Pistol, and still have points left over... um bye-bye Comrade

*Command Squad w/ 4 Melta and Chimera 145 points and that's it, NO EXTRAS EXCEPT FOR:
-Maybe take an Astropath to help the reserves come in.
-add a Plasma Pistol to the Commander

*Leman Russ Tanks are good at taking out infantry only!!!!
-Drop the Vanquisher, and put in 3 Hyrda Flak Tanks (Saves you 10 points).
-Hyrdas are your anti-Rhino, anti-Drop Pod, anti-dred option for slowing down his army (and they work pretty well against LF's btw).

*You need Vendetta's. If you read any of the forums they are one of the best of IG's anti-tank/Terminator options
-Outflank to get side/rear armor shots
-load them up with troops to take objectives at the last second
-At that points cost you can field 2-3 easily

*Executioner
-If you're going to use one, give it Plasma Sponsons and give it one job..... Kill FOOT SLOGGERS!!!!
- 4/5 Plasma Cannon blasts per turn hurts anything that walks

And about your troop choices.... dude...

IG troop choice 101
Veterens with 3 Melta's and Chimera.... 155 points (yes 155, NO EXTRAS!!!, only thing you should consider taking with this basic build would be a sergent w/ plasma). Buy about 3-5 of them and turn your build from pooper, to super.

Eventually you can start playing around with Platoon kitting to create the right synergy, but as for now... you should stay away from it.


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The infantry i think i will scrap special weapons and just take heavy weapons, because by the time I use them there to close for them to matter.

Also I've already thought of what to replace the vanquisher with: two Leman Russes to to add more ordance and to take out rhinos



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