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For an upcoming event my FLGS is running, we are required to build "themed" armies to compete. We've been told to try to keep it competitive, but also that serious points will be awarded for the "character" of army lists submitted. So having said that, I;d welcome comments on this list:

Emperor's Champion + Accept Any Challenge (140)
Grimaldus - 195 Points
High Marshall Helbrecht - 175 Points

Except the special weapons, all Models in the crusader squads are armed with Bolt Pistols and Close Combat Weapons

Crusader Squad 1

10 x Initiates with Close Combat weapons
10 x Neophytes
1 x Power Fist
1 x Meltagun

Total = 285


Crusader Squad 2

10 x Initiates
10 x Neophytes
1 x Power Fist
1 x Meltagun

Total = 285


Crusader Squad 3

10 x Initiates
10 x Neophytes
1 x Power Fist
1 x Meltagun

Total = 285


Crusader Squad 4

10 x Initiates
10 x Neophytes
1 x Power Fist
1 x Meltagun

Total = 285

Assault Terminators
6 X Lightning Claws
2 x Thunder Hammers
8 x Furious Charge

Total = 344

Army Total = 1994]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085234.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085234.page GMT IMO, that many marines on the table will be scary regardless.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085247.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085247.page GMT BT's personality more than - horde!!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085249.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085249.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085254.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085254.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085258.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085258.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085261.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085261.page GMT IMO to make it more competitive i would give helbrecht his command squad. it gives him access to furious charge. and when you think about him with FC he becomes one of the more killy HQs in 40k, and for only 178pts. he will have 6-8 attacks, at str5 and init6, and they ignore armor saves. well worth it. especially since he is basically leading what amounts to a beefed up crusader squad. since you have 4 of them already convert one of them into the CS for helbrecht and you are golden. (you can even attach grimaldus and RAW you can give him FC for 3 pts as well)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085342.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085342.page GMT FC though, as that will be denied because of his cenobite servitors.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085375.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085375.page GMT FC, if grimauldus works as a regular chaplain (since regular chaplains can still join squads if they have cenobytes)..

beyond that bonus, you get the +3 to the righteous zeal move of your uber helbrecht hammer unit.

zero downside. that squad could take on thunderwolves my friend. you lose 5 neophtyes from your list, but gain a huge advantage when it comes to being able to handle another hammer unit like t-wolves, nobz, etc etc.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085438.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085438.page GMT FC'in Grimaldus could work it seems and I have to say I have never tried that before but it would definitely be something worth trying.

Even for a fluffy BT list this seems nice you got lots of marines some with FC and lots of neophytes for some addition attacks and absorbing hits. Good luck to you in the tournament.

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"for each cenobyte servitor accompanying the chaplain, you may add +1 (to a maximum of +3 per unit) to the dice roll when rolling for the distance moved due to the Righteous Zeal special rule. Note that this affects any Infantry squad the Chaplain (and his Servitors) has joined"

after quoting that i read further down the entry, chaplains with cenobytes can not take any veteran skills (ie: FC) so my idea is now irrelevant. ah well.. though you can still attach Grim to the unit for the zeal bonuses, fearless, guaranteed relic proximity, etc]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085522.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085522.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085842.page GMT
Grimaldus CAN be attached to Helbrecht's command squad and he HAS to take Furious Charge for 3pts.

Grimaldus special rule: Command Squad: Grimaldus can lead a reclusiarch squad. No other chaplains can join HIS reclusiarch squad and he can't join another chaplain's. Grimaldus may however join a marshal/castellan's command squad as normal.

So you take Helbrecht, you give him a command squad, you ATTACH Grimaldus to it, and the entire squad INCLUDING Grimaldus HAS to take FC vet skill because Helbrecht's special rule "Retinue" overrides the cenobyte servitor special rule.

That means that on the charge, Grimadlus is a NASTY Str5 Init6(SIX!!!!!) chaplain. Pop his holy relic and he'll have SEVEN attacks on that charge, with Helbrecht being Str5 Init6 and anywhere from 7-9 attacks...................now a possible 16 init 6 WS5, rerolling misses Str5 attacks? I think I just hit a deer.
Not to mention the rest of the squad is about to do a suckerpunch at Str5 Init5 with all their attacks. End result is one unit that I would put toe-to-toe with anything from a MC to a full LC's armed termy squad, with-out fear of losing the assault.

Also on a side note, another theme you could go for with the blob list is a chaplain army. Turning 2 of your squads into Command squads and putting a chaplain leading each one with 3 cenobyte servitors, and then attach a chaplain to each squad with 3 cenobyte servitors. With a minimum 7" Righteous Zeal move and completely fearless with rerolls built into the charge, give the army Uphold the Honour and watch your two command squads shrug off Lascannon shots and worse and continue to run hellbent for the enemy]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2085913.page GMT
You have some good ideas here. I'm still not convinced that the Retinue rule would override the Cenobyte Servitor rules.

Having said that, there's nothing to stop you adding a normal chaplain to do this.

Also, Uphold the honour of the emperor may not be the best choice - cover saves are the name of the game these days, and besides - losing preferred enemy is far too big a blow for my liking. It's just too good not to take, especially in such an assault focussed army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2086175.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326082/2086175.page GMT