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				<description><![CDATA[   Space wolf tournament list 1500 points <br /> <br /> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /> <br /> Rune priest<br /> - Living lightning<br /> - Jaws of the wolf world<br /> - Chooser of the slain (110)<br /> <br /> 10 grey hunters<br /> - 2 plasma guns<br /> - Power fist<br /> - Rhino (230)<br /> <br /> 10 grey hunters<br /> - 2 melta guns<br /> - power fist<br /> - Rhino (220)<br /> <br /> 10 grey hunters<br /> - 2 melta guns<br /> - power fist<br /> - Rhino (220)<br /> <br /> 6 long fangs<br /> - 5 missile launchers<br /> - razorback w/ lascannons (215)<br /> <br /> 6 long fangs<br /> - 5 missile launchers<br /> - razorback w/ lascannons (215)<br /> <br /> 6 long fangs<br /> - 5 lascannons<br /> - razorback w/ lascannons (290)<br /> <br /> 1500/1500<br /> <br /> Comments and Criticism welcome <br /> <br /> alex ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Pretty standard. Maybe switch fists for wulfen. Switch las on the razors for las and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>plas</span>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I've been seeing a lot of this list and it is definitely a solid list. My only concern is with the low leadership and the cost of a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> on a regular <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(390);'>GH</span>. For me it is worth it to run  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(225);'>WG</span> with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> and Combi melta over the ten man squad with second special weapon, i just find that i don't use the second power weapon that much, usually once maybe twice in a game, so it makes just as much sense to do the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(225);'>WG</span> model, and i love the bonus in Leadership. Just my personal opinion but overall the list looks great, and i would hate to see it coming at me. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So if i drop a marine from the squad and take off the meltagun and powerfist and havea wolf guard with a fist and a combi melta it should be alright?<br /> <br /> alex]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'd try to get some wolf standards on those <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(390);'>GH</span>, and switch the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> onto a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(225);'>WG</span> w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, but other than that looks solid. Best of luck  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>So if i drop a marine from the squad and take off the meltagun and powerfist and havea wolf guard with a fist and a combi melta it should be alright?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> That would be my main recommendation, after that i think that you should be pretty good, one other thought would be depending on what you are facing <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(416);'>JotWW</span> might not be the best option, i assume that since there is no room in the rhinos that your Rune Priest will be with the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(450);'>LF</span>, if that's the case then <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(416);'>JotWW</span> is great if you expect to see alot of monsters, (Tyranids in particular hate it), but if you expect to see foot slogging armies, then i love murderous Hurricane. Those are usually the two powers i take besides Living Lightning. Although i have had some success with stormcaller against mechanized <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span>. (although that works better when i have him in a rhino going first and can cast it to affect all my transports simultaneously. <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>I'd try to get some wolf standards on those <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(390);'>GH</span>, and switch the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> onto a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(225);'>WG</span> w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, but other than that looks solid</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Wolf Standards are also nice if you can find the points for them i usually would try and squeeze in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(423);'>MotW</span> before i worry about the standards as i find that to be very brutal in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>, if you are not able to find the points for it though i still think you have a pretty solid force. Best of luck and hope everything goes well. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>ginger gobbo wrote:</cite>So if i drop a marine from the squad and take off the meltagun and powerfist and havea wolf guard with a fist and a combi melta it should be alright?<br /> <br /> alex</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah I'd adjust to this:<br /> <br /> Rune Priest (Chooser, Living Lightning, Tempest's Wrath) - 110<br /> 3 Wolf Guard (3x Power Fist, 3x Combi-Melta) - 129<br /> 8 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Wolf Standard, Rhino) - 170<br /> 9 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Wolf Standard, Rhino) - 185<br /> 9 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Wolf Standard, Rhino) - 185<br /> 6 long fangs (5 Missile Launchers, Razorback w/ LasPlas) - 215<br /> 6 long fangs (5 Missile Launchers, Razorback w/ LasPlas) - 215<br /> 6 long fangs (5 Lascannons, Razorback w/ LasPlas) - 290<br /> Total 1,499<br /> <br /> It's the same all around except no Plasma in the Grey Hunters, each has a Wolf Guard with Power Fist and Combi-Melta, and the Rune Priest has a place to ride. I prefer LasPlas Razorbacks myself but if you prefer <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Lascannon that's fine. I just like having the extra weapon so a single weapon destroyed result doesn't completely render the tank useless.<br /> <br /> Hope that helps.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Okay thank you a quick question though why no plasmaguns in the grey hunters?<br /> Alex]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Jabbdo wrote:</cite>I'd try to get some wolf standards on those <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(390);'>GH</span>, and switch the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> onto a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(225);'>WG</span> w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, but other than that looks solid. Best of luck  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I second this.  I used to be a proponent of not taking Wolf Guard saying that 1 better <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>Ld</span> wasn't worth losing the 2nd special weapon.  Then I had two squads of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(390);'>GH</span> break and run in all 3 games of my last tournament (they got escorted off the board by enemy units of course).  And in every instance I failed the test but would have passed with a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(225);'>WG</span> in the unit.  Now I rarely leave home with out a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(225);'>WG</span> for each <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(390);'>GH</span> squad.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>ginger gobbo wrote:</cite>Okay thank you a quick question though why no plasmaguns in the grey hunters?<br /> Alex</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Plasma weaponry is less useful than it was in the past, primarily due to the ease of getting cover saves in this edition. Cover is such a huge part of the game these days that Plasma is not generally worth the risk of killing yourself. A model double tapping with a Plasma Gun has about an 11% chance of smoking himself and  only about a 55% chance of killing a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(95);'>MEQ</span> in cover. There are some uses for it (namely on Razorbacks with a Lascannon and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Plasma, for the reasons listed above), but generally Melta weaponry is the better buy. More useful against vehicles in a unit that generally likes to get close, and it can be used to deny armor saves much like Plasma Guns but without the risk of killing your own model. That said, if you are running a gunline list for some reason (better off doing this with normal Marines rather than Space Wolves) having the Plasma Gun is better simply for the additional range, but that is the one case where I would take Plasma over Melta.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Okay thank you <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Whats the main intent for the list? I noticed when it's posted the main design of the list is not mentioned, why the units are chosen, why the wargear.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>mindfield wrote:</cite>Whats the main intent for the list? I noticed when it's posted the main design of the list is not mentioned, why the units are chosen, why the wargear.</div></blockquote><br /> I can't speak for the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(280);'>OP</span>, but I['m gonna guess the main intent is for the Long Fangs to take covered positions and for the Rhino units along with the Razorbacks to advance up the field as a mobile firing line. As for the units selected they seem pretty self explanatory.....the Rune Priest is an obvious choice for a commander, and Grey Hunters are probably the best infantry in the game right now. Long Fangs are also some of the most efficient ranged support options available. Everything has a transport for mobility.<br /> <br /> Seems pretty straightforward, and it packs a lot of firepower across all ranges.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I couldnt have said it better myself <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"><br /> The main intention is to get myself back into competitive playing i have spent the past 2 years painting (before that i was a good player in my honest opinion, i didnt loose to many games). <br /> <br /> alex]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah, i would say that at this point you have yourself a real competative list shaping up, at least it is one of the competative builds out there right now for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(124);'>SW</span>. Best of luck you'll have to let us know how the games go with the list. ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ The Ravening Jaw]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Is there any way i can make it more competitvie? as i am thinking of taking it up to 1750<br /> <br /> Alex]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ To take it to 1750, I think there are a couple different ways to take it...<br /> <br /> You could drop some stuff and turn it in a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(504);'>TWC</span> Deathstar list (would probably have to drop at least 1 Long Fangs units and 1 Grey Hunters, and would then add a Wolf Lord with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(534);'>TW</span> mount and 2-3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(504);'>TWC</span> + War Gear).<br /> You could add in 2 more Wolf Guard with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(332);'>TDA</span> and a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(417);'>CML</span> for the Long Fangs, then use the last of the points to give a bit more assorted wargear to the Grey Hunters/Rune Priest (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(501);'>WTT</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(423);'>MotW</span>, etc.). This is nice because you don't need to buy many more models, and adds some decent firepower and much needed psychic protection.<br /> You could add another Grey Hunters squad like you have there, with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(225);'>WG</span> and I think have enough for a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(501);'>WTT</span>. This will make your army even more durable, but you may struggle with lists with super tough Deathstar units.<br /> <br /> Those would be my most competitive options. You could alternatively add speeders or wolf scouts for some speed/tactical deployment or even lone wolves. The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(124);'>SW</span> codex has a lot of decent units, you can't really mess up that bad.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ One think i like when scaling up a list like this is to find a way to add in a second rune priest, slightly different powers and gear of course. <br /> <br /> Just thought. But something to consider. ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ The Ravening Jaw]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Space wolves 1500 points</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ It is a maybe to the rune priest, but would another scoring unit help?<br /> <br /> alex<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> New list i feel that this may work better<br /> <br /> Rune Priest (Chooser, Living Lightning, Tempest's Wrath) - 110 <br /> Rune Priest (Chooser, Living Lightning, Tempest's Wrath) - 110 <br /> Rune Priest (Chooser, Living Lightning, Jaws of the Wolf World) - 110 <br /> Rune Priest (Chooser, Living Lightning, Jaws of the Wolf World) - 110 <br /> 5 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Razorback w/LasPlas) - 155 <br /> 5 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Razorback w/LasPlas) - 155<br /> 5 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Razorback w/LasPlas) - 155<br /> 5 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Razorback w/LasPlas) - 155<br /> 6 long fangs (5 Missile Launchers, Razorback w/ LasPlas) - 215 <br /> 6 long fangs (5 Missile Launchers, Razorback w/ LasPlas) - 215 <br /> 6 long fangs (5 Missile Launchers, Razorback w/ LasPlas) - 215 <br /> <br /> <br /> Total 1705/1750<br /> <br /> I have 45 points left im unsure what to spend it on <br /> any ideas?<br /> <br /> Alex<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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