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list1 wrote:Chaos Sorcerer Lord
- Level 4
- Mark fo Tzeentch
- Talisman Endurance
- Enchanted Shield
- Spell Familiar
Total 345pts

Lords: 345

Exalted Champion of Chaos
- Mark of Tzeentch
- Shield
- Battle Standard Bearer
- Dragon Helm
Total 185pts

Heroes: 185pts

18 Chaos Warriors
- Mark of Tzeentch
- Fullcommand
Total 338pts

18 Chaos Warriors
- Mark of Khorne
- Standard
- Musician
- Shields
- Halberds
Total 354pts

5 Chaos Hounds
Total 30pts

5 Chaos Hounds
Total 30pts

Core: 720pts

5 Chaos Trolls
Total 225pts

6 Chaos Knights
- Mark of Khorne
- Musician
Total 280pts

Special: 505pts

Hellcannon
Total 205pts

Rare:205pts

Sorcerer and BSB are with the Tzeentch warriors, knights down one flank, trolls down the other, pretty standard idea with the magic, gateway, gateway and some more gateway

List2 wrote:Exalted Champion of Chaos
- Mark of Khorne
- Juggernaut of Khorne
- Great Weapon
- Talisman of Preservation
- Charmed shield
Total 233pts

Exalted Champion of Chaos
- Mark of Tzeentch
- Shield
- Battle Standard Bearer
- Book of Secrets - Lore of Shadow
- Spell Familiar
- Dragon Helm
- 3rd eye of Tzeentch
Total 250pts

Heroes: 483pts

17 Chaos Warriors
- Mark of Tzeentch
- Fullcommand
- Blastered standard
Total 362pts

18 Chaos Warriors
- Marl of Khorne
- Fullcommand
- Great Weapons
Total 366pts

5 Chaos Hounds
Total 30pts

5 Chaos Hounds
Total 30pts

Core: 788pts

5 Chaos Trolls
Total 225pts

5 Chaos Knights
- Mark of Khorne
- Fullcommand
- Standard of Discipline
Total 295pts

Special: 655pts

Hellcannon
Total 205pts

Rare: 205

With the 2nd list I thought I would try and see if I could actually make a jugger hero usuable and I thought I would also try out the BSB magic user idea (mainly so I didn't have to take a wizard as well, jugger with knights, BSB with Tzeentch warriors, trolls in a 3x2 formation.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2097191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2097191.page GMT Re:2 2k WoC lists On your caster BSB, I can't help but think that that's a bad idea, as having a low level caster with third eye probably means you're going to be slamming a lot of dice into one big spell, which means being prepared to miscast. And the book means you've got a great chance of detonating on your unit and losing the BSB (The Most Important Model in Your Army, as per 8th edition). Even if you don't buy the BSB any additional protective gear (like a static ward), separating the casty element from the LD element has to be a good move.

Here's my tweak that swaps all great weapons for halberds and splits the caster BSB into caster & BSB:

H: Exalted Hero - MoK, talisman of preservation, charmed shield, halberd, juggernaut = 229
H: Exalted Hero - MoT, BSB, shield = 150
H: Sorcerer [SHADOW] - level 2 = 120

C: 17 Warriors - MoT, blasted standard, full command, shields = 362
C: 18 Warriors - banner of rage, full command, halberds = 353
C: 5 Warhounds = 30
C: 5 Warhounds = 30

S: 5 Knights - MoK, standard of LD exploit, full command = 295
S: 5 Trolls = 225

R: Hellcannon = 205
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I would have loved to keep third eye on the sorcerer, but the % cap was unrelenting with the full 50 points on the jugger. Note the frenzy banner on the halberd boys, extra tasty

All the same give that BSB a shot, it's a dice game and, while I think the level 2 shadow sorcerer provides the same 'normal' casting phase (2 spells @ +2) and a better dispel (+2 instead of +1), the third eye could indeed tip it vs some enemies. Though again, I think the nature of third eye means expecting to miscast, which is sad times with the book BSB ...

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2099949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2099949.page GMT 2 2k WoC lists BSB combo, I am also not 100% sold on the lore of shadow yet either, I think its a toss up between lore of fire and shadow. Do you think it might be worth dropping the banner on my knights (35pts) making the sorcerer the general and using the points on something else?

Originally I had planned on using halberds on the warriors however I just have this feeling one model with strength 6 is not going to be enough in some games, what I really need to do is try out great weapons in a few games and see if I think they are worth the loss of I5.

The great weapon on the exalted is purely for model reasons, still a -4 armour save is never a bad thing!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101025.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101025.page GMT 2 2k WoC lists
I really like the feel of it. Definitely agree about not putting the book on the BSB. Miscast on D6+1!? Yikes! Even bringing the puppet along, that's scary shiz.

Is the banner of rage cheaper than giving the unit MoK? Just wondering why Salvage went that route instead.

I think my inclination would be to chop mercilessly to make one of those characters lord-level and not be so tight on points, but then that'd make it hard to keep the integrity of the list. Why 5 trolls? It seems like 6 or 4 make the most sense

but I'm guessing it was just a points issue, too.
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RiTides wrote:Is the banner of rage cheaper than giving the unit MoK? Just wondering why Salvage went that route instead.

I think my inclination would be to chop mercilessly to make one of those characters lord-level and not be so tight on points, but then that'd make it hard to keep the integrity of the list. Why 5 trolls? It seems like 6 or 4 make the most sense

but I'm guessing it was just a points issue, too.

Banner of rage because I had 5 points that couldn't be spent in the Hero category, and it seemed like the best use. On hacking your way into a jugger lord, good luck. There are a few places to clear a handful of points but not the 100 you'd need to upgrade him and keep the same anti-cannon gear. And as to trolls, as many as you can get is indeed best

itsonlyme wrote:Do you think it might be worth dropping the banner on my knights (35pts) making the sorcerer the general and using the points on something else?

Originally I had planned on using halberds on the warriors however I just have this feeling one model with strength 6 is not going to be enough in some games, what I really need to do is try out great weapons in a few games and see if I think they are worth the loss of I5.

The great weapon on the exalted is purely for model reasons, still a -4 armour save is never a bad thing!

If you drop the knight's standard entirely, what are you going to buy with those points? Since the hero category is full up ... If you drop the knight champ too (a terrible use of points but he does keep your jugger from getting sucked into a wee champ instead of brutalizing RNF) then you can afford that 6th troll, which is a decent move and evens them out.

I still think it's a shame to waste the uber-init on warriors with great weapons. BUT I looked at your modeling blog (nice stuff!) and yea, your warriors definitely have great weapons

So now I guess the question is, where to find 18 points to put upgrade them back to S6 ASL? Sadly I think my 6th troll plans just went bye-bye ... On the jugger exalted's weapon, the issue is that with such tight points there isn't room to swap it and keep the 4+ ward.

After some thought, here's my Round 2:

H: Exalted Hero - MoK, talisman of preservation, charmed shield, halberd, juggernaut = 229
H: Exalted Hero - MoT, BSB, shield = 150
H: Sorcerer [SHADOW] - level 2 = 120

C: 18 Warriors - MoK, banner of eternal flame, standard, musician, great weapons = 364
C: 17 Warriors - MoT, blasted standard, full command, shields = 362
C: 5 Warhounds = 30
C: 5 Warhounds = 30

S: 6 Trolls = 270
S: 5 Knights - MoK, musician = 240

R: Hellcannon = 205
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Jammed it all in

Ended up with 10 points left, so lit the lumberjacks' huge smashy weapons on fire for dropping hydras, HPA, etc. Sad thing is those monsters will get to dump all of their attaks in before they get hacked down, but die they will!

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101429.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101429.page GMT Re:2 2k WoC lists
I do however think that S5 is something that is very easy to come by and it never hurts to have that extra strength if you don't know who you will be facing, i have found in a lot of the games I have played I5 hasnt made a big difference, its not like I managed to reduce the uni enough to stop me losing a couple of guys, remember in a lot of units you are going to need to kill 3 ranks of troops, if that unit is S3, T3 (empire spearmen, swordsmens, goblins, etc) I'm not going to waste magic on or a hellcannon on it, I'm going to want to take out elite units and things like cannons.

5 trolls is a easy one, I don't have 6 and I have been told in he past that 4 just isn't enough :( looking how the list has panned out I think it would be hard to fit another one in now :(

I see what you are saying about the lord level however I did that with the first list and to be fair it dosn't actually change all that much, you get a slightly more potent magic phase, I would rather play 2250pts or 2500pts as you get that extra wiggle room, maybe add some chosen to the army!

I wasn't that sure on book of secrets either, I was very put off by the miscast rules as well

Exalted Hero (With Knights)
- Mark of Khorne
- Talisman of Preservation
- charmed shield
- Halberd :(
- juggernaut
Total 229

Exalted Hero (With Tzeentch Warriors)
- Mark of Tzeentch
- Battle Standard Bearer
- shield
Total 150pts

Sorcerer (With Tzeentch Warriors)
- level 2
- Lore of Fire
Total 120pts

Heroes: 499pts

17 Warriors
- Mark of Tzeentch
- blasted standard
- full command
- shields
Total 362

18 Warriors
- Mark of Nurgle (this is a count as based on the idea of the SM rules - as we used to call them Jedi Masters of Hoth

)
- banner of rage
- Standard
- Musician
- Great Weapons
Total 389

5 Warhounds
Total 30pts

5 Warhounds
Total 30pts

Core: 811pts

5 Chaos Knights
- MoK
- Champion
- Musician
Total 260pts

5 Trolls
Total 225

Special: 485pts

Hellcannon
Total 205pts

Rare: 205pts]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101437.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101437.page GMT 2 2k WoC lists
Note that an exalted gw costs 8 points, not 4 like the other weapon options. So something's got to give to make the % cap.

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101458.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101458.page GMT 2 2k WoC lists lvl sorc can't take shadow. He can only take fire and death. It's the lord lvl caster that gains access to Shadow.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101462.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101462.page GMT 2 2k WoC lists lot of big things' days with that (HPA, Hydra, Treemen, opposing trolls, anything with regen or flammable, even probably help a bit against cavalry since they fear it). He also fit the 6th troll in... but if you don't have it, I guess you can direct those points elsewhere, although it'd be a shame since they look so nice run 3x2

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Infreak wrote:I don't have my army book with me, but I'm pretty sure the hero lvl sorc can't take shadow. He can only take fire and death. It's the lord lvl caster that gains access to Shadow.

My bad in that case, all my casters have MoT so wouldn't know

Fire or "Purple Sun FTW" work too.

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101733.page GMT 2 2k WoC lists

Boss Salvage wrote:Nurgle rage warriors/knights - sometimes the old tricks are the best tricks .............

Note that an exalted gw costs 8 points, not 4 like the other weapon options. So something's got to give to make the % cap.

- Salvage

You've made me a sad pander :( I actually didn't add up the cost, I just copy pasted yours, I actually thought it was the same cost as a halberd, I don't normally use halberds in my heroes, its either a cheap magic weapon or great weapon normally, heres the $100 question, is a chamred shield more important than a 4+ wardsave? I also normally use Tzeentch wizards as well but I have had comments about Tzeentch sorcerer lords being overpowered :(

RiTides wrote:Looks like you guys simul-posted, but are on pretty much the same page! I like Salvage's putting the flaming attacks banner in there- strength 6, you're going to ruin a lot of big things' days with that (HPA, Hydra, Treemen, opposing trolls, anything with regen or flammable, even probably help a bit against cavalry since they fear it). He also fit the 6th troll in... but if you don't have it, I guess you can direct those points elsewhere, although it'd be a shame since they look so nice run 3x2

Hmm, I like that idea as well actually, I guess I could add a trolls to my trade list and use something else as it for now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101768.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101768.page GMT 2 2k WoC lists

Of course tizz level 4's are still pretty boring to me, hence why I have little to say on your first list

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101782.page GMT 2 2k WoC lists Right I need a new Exalted combo on a jugger which looks suitable for the model that is no more than 230pts

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll219/Logoan054/Warhammer/DSCN2038.jpg]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101810.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2101810.page GMT 2 2k WoC lists BSB, both are very useful in the right circumstances (and those circumstances come up a lot).

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2102017.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2102017.page GMT 2 2k WoC lists http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2102503.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2102503.page GMT 2 2k WoC lists IMO charmed shield & 1/5+ save is pretty decent vs those artillery attaks I'm guessing you're afraid of.

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2102543.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2102543.page GMT 2 2k WoC lists VP's or the big scary rock lobber, mind you I can't even use a hellcannon atm, I still need to buy one so I guess it will be a Giant in its place for bow.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2102576.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2102576.page GMT Re:2 2k WoC lists WoC players in my area - instead a lot of them field double hellcannons ... have you ever considered that?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2102867.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2102867.page GMT 2 2k WoC lists DE for example. I guess it depends just how competitive a player you are. Trolls do provide something to the army, an alternate target for ranked attacks, they can be used too screen the chaos knights from cannons (after all they just need to survive a shot to stop it from moving). They make a great counter charge unit, causing fear is always a advantage, you just had a big horde unit charge into your warriors, one failed fear test and they are only being hit on a 5+

I think it also makes the army look more interesting, a few times now I have been lucky with the mutant regen when I have charged in and got +1 attack or +1 strength while only losing a few wounds, something like that can really turn a combat. The way Vomit works now is brilliant, If I am up against a high armoured opponent rather than take me chances with the S5 WS3 attacks and just unleash 5 vomit attacks.
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Sorcerer Lord
- Enchanted Shield
- Spell Familiar
- lore of Death
Total 265pts

Lords: 265pts

Exalted Hero
- Mark of Khorne
- Talisman of Preservation
- Charmed shield
- Great Weapon
- juggernaut
Total 233

Exalted Hero
- Mark of Tzeentch
- Battle Standard Bearer
- Shield
Total 150pts

Heroes: 383pts

16 Warriors
- Mark of Tzeentch
- blasted standard
- full command
- shields
Total 346

18 Warriors
- Mark of Khorne
- Fullcommand
- Great Weapons
Total 366

5 Warhounds
Total 30pts

5 Warhounds
Total 30pts

Core: 772pts

5 Chaos Knights
- MoK
- Musician
Total 240pts

3 Trolls
Total 135pts

Special: 375pts

Hellcannon
Total 205pts

Rare: 205pts ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2117628.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2117628.page GMT 2 2k WoC lists BSB? That'd save you a bunch of points (read: to get up to 6 trolls

).

I like the list, though! It's just a lot of points are being used up in that hero slot. For the lord, I do like shadow or death, rather than heavens on him.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2122838.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2122838.page GMT Re:2 2k WoC lists VP for it or the characters inside of it. I'm not personally a fan of the Death Star build, with >75% of your points in one massive unit, but it seems to work very well for Warriors of Chaos.

*The 45 warriors guy usually takes his with the mark of nurgle, frenzy banner, shields (for missle defense) and add'l hand weapons (for melee) I think he runs a BSB and two wizards along with the unit, though I'm not sure what banner the BSB is running with.

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RiTides wrote:I'm going to show my ignorance again here... but is there a reason you didn't just make the jugger-rider a BSB? That'd save you a bunch of points (read: to get up to 6 trolls

).

I like the list, though! It's just a lot of points are being used up in that hero slot. For the lord, I do like shadow or death, rather than heavens on him.

Model choice, no other reason, I am getting a bit annoyed with the list because I certainly agree that it has to many points in the hero slot but I really like how my jugger hero looks (otherwise I wouldn't even use him), i did have a alternate idea for a list however I think the biggest problem is to keep the sorcerer lord I would have to lose the BSB, the other option is below which does leave the other heroes a bit open :(

@postle wrote:Such small units of warriors... Everyone in these parts that plays chaos fields them 25+ and loads them up with characters and banners. One player that does very well with his army fields a single unit of 45 warriors*, 10 wide, with 2 hellcannons and some other low point filler junk. Let's face it... not many people can deal with a unit like that and without completely eliminating it, they'll never get the VP for it or the characters inside of it. I'm not personally a fan of the Death Star build, with >75% of your points in one massive unit, but it seems to work very well for Warriors of Chaos.

I am really am not a fan of death star builds, I can't see how that makes for a enjoyable game for either person, while it is certainly very effective it just seems as if you game would be move forward 1 unit, place two templates, roll some dice, rinse repeat until you reach combat, I also think such builds will really suffer against certain hex spells, spirit leech could really cause some problems with that unit, imagine all those CW suddenly become WS2 S2 I2 during a key fight of the game, game over.

Exalted Hero
- Mark of Khorne
- Talisman of Preservation
- Charmed shield
- Halberd
- juggernaut
Total 229

Sorcerer
- Level 2
Total 120pts

Exalted Hero
- Mark of Tzeentch
- Battle Standard Bearer
- Shield
Total 150pts

Heroes: 499pts

16 Chaos Warriors
- Mark of Tzeentch
- blasted standard
- full command
- shields
Total 346

30 Chaos Marauders
- Mark of Khorne
- Standard
- Musician
Total 192pts

5 Warhounds
Total 30pts

5 Warhounds
Total 30pts

Core: 598pts

5 Chaos Knights
- MoK
- Musician
Total 240pts

18 Chosen
- Mark of Khorne
- Fullcommand
- Favour of the Gods
- Great Weapons
Total 455pts

Special: 695pts

Hellcannon
Total 205pts

Rare: 205pts
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Casper wrote:I would still go Halberds simply to keep WoC's amazing initiative. The extra -1 AS and ASL isn't worth it, even if you have a 3+ ward.

It isn't the -1 AS, it's the +1 to wound and -1 AS. I ran warriors with halberds and with great weapons. It all depends on the size of the unit.
If you have a block of 18, the first 6 losses cost you no attacks, and those great weapons can really dish it out.

-Matt]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2125064.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2125064.page GMT 2 2k WoC lists ASL weapon, you going to have to be pretty damn lucky to kill something with that (especially a unit with that). I also think with how easy it is to get the result you want on the EoTG table something like +1T or +1save will make a massive difference.

I guess it also depends what sort of enemies you are used to facing, against T3 then I certainly agree unless they have a very high armour save it is waste. I can think of a lot of different unit types that have T4, i think the only real concern is things like minotaurs and trolls (depending on EotG roll).

I think the only think I would really like to change about them is either making them cause fear or terror just so I could reroll any result on the table :(]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2125191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/326859/2125191.page GMT