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				<description><![CDATA[ Chaos Lord <br /> axe of khorne ,crimson armor of dargan,juggernout<br /> 310 (solo-hunts war machines and archers)<br /> <br /> <br /> Sorcerer lord<br /> disspel scroll,collar of khorne,Book of secrets lv3 310,Lore of Shadows<br /> (in unit of warriors)<br /> <br /> <br /> Wulfric 185  (lead marauders unit)<br /> <br /> Sorcerer lv 1 mark of tzeench<br /> third eye of tzeench   130  (steal incantation-so I can move in my magic phase)<br /> <br /> ex hero of tzeench <br /> banner of rage  180(in unit of warriors)<br /> <br /> 5 Marauder horsmen of slaanesh,chieften,flail x2 194<br /> 33  chaos w of tzeench,full command,shields 578<br /> 59 marauders of khorne,full command,great weapon,light armour 404<br /> <br /> Hellcannon 205<br /> <br /> total 2496<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It seems to me the 59 Marauders is a huge gamble. I think you're better off splitting them in to two groups, maybe 35 and 24 or something. Same with the warriors - maybe two groups of 16 and 18. More groups would be better for meta, whereas the two big groups will only work against certain builds.<br /> <br /> Cheers.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 15 Nov 2010 04:31:21]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I believe that taking book of secrets on your sorcerer lord is a really bad idea. Besides the terrible miscast roll (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(24);'>D6</span> + 1 gives you a really good chance of getting the &lt; 4 result that can kill your caster) I believe he doesn't get to know his other spells? It's in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>...<br /> <br /> Third eye of tzeentch on the smaller caster- can you steal incantations? I thought you could only steal &quot;spells&quot; (which are different).<br /> <br /> I think you need more units! Only 2 blocks is putting a lot of your eggs in one basket... if either one gets flank-charged by a large enough unit and disrupted / run-down (a possibility with all the movement incantations, despite careful deployment), it'll be basically game over.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Don't put the Book of Secrets on your sorc lord. You'll have a very expensive lvl1 caster.<br /> <br /> From the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(385);'>WoC</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>:<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Page 115 – Book of Secrets, second paragraph<br /> Change to “Treat the bearer as a Level 1 Wizard, who may use<br /> the Lore of Fire, Lore of Shadow or Lore of Death. He may<br /> not attempt to channel. If he ever casts a spell with irresistible<br /> force he must roll <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(24);'>D6</span>+1 rather than <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(1);'>2D6</span> on the Miscast<br /> table.”</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Also I'm pretty sure incantations are not spells as RiTides has said.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ And even if you could steal the incantations (you can't), all but the magic missile specify that they only affect undead units <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(70);'>IIRC</span>.  If you're actually building to suit <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(418);'>TK</span> - which is hilarious to me, because everything in a chaos army outfights them - I would think you'd want:<br /> - 1+ disc hero, to go aggro and take out skull chuckers, his only real offense that matters (though be careful he or they don't get magic charged!)<br /> - Good magic defense (you've got this about as much as 8th edition allows, though a +1 dispel stick on a level 4 might be useful)<br /> - Death magic to snipe out those hierophants and to take advantage of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(418);'>TK</span> trash initiative<br /> - Warriors, warriors and some more warriors to grind down anything that's left<br /> <br /> Your list also has some rather bad choices happening: book on the sorcerer lord, a magic banner on a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span> instead of his unit which has no banner, really too large units, even by 8th edition standards.  Remember, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(418);'>TK</span> kinda suck, and if you expect Khalida and her 100 poisoned archers, then take more warriors over more marauders <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> <b>EDIT</b><br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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Here's how I would take roughly your list and build it towards reducing <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(418);'>TK</span> to bone dust.  Note that I actually think the hellcannon is a liability, as it gives his chuckers something to insta-kill, but then it's pretty good at killing them too so meh.<br /> <br /> L: Lord - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(99);'>MoK</span>, sword of might, charmed shield, dawnstone, jugger = 325<br /> L: Sorcerer Lord [DEATH] - level 4, talisman of endurance = 300<br /> <br /> H: Exalted - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(102);'>MoT</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span>, collar, ironcurse icon, ahw = 179<br /> H: Exalted - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(102);'>MoT</span>, golden eye, halberd, shield, disc = 174<br /> H: Sorcerer [SHADOW/DEATH] - dispel scroll = 110<br /> <br /> C: 18 Warriors - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(99);'>MoK</span>, full command, ahw, shields = 366<br /> C: 18 Warriors - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(102);'>MoT</span>, full command, shields = 338<br /> C: 30 Marauders - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(99);'>MoK</span>, full command, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>gw</span> = 200<br /> C: 30 Marauders - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(99);'>MoK</span>, full command, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>gw</span> = 200<br /> C: 5 Horsemen - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'>MoS</span>, musician, flails, light armor = 96<br /> <br /> R: Hellcannon = 205<br /> ---------<br /> 2493
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:12:46]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Boss Salvage]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ty all ... I'll split marauders ,drop book of secrets,give <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(385);'>woc</span> banner,and use wizz on disc<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <br /> <b>EDIT</b><br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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Here's how I would take roughly your list and build it towards reducing <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(418);'>TK</span> to bone dust.  Note that I actually think the hellcannon is a liability, as it gives his chuckers something to insta-kill, but then it's pretty good at killing them too so meh.<br /> <br /> L: Lord - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(99);'>MoK</span>, sword of might, charmed shield, dawnstone, jugger = 325<br /> L: Sorcerer Lord [DEATH] - level 4, talisman of endurance = 300<br /> <br /> H: Exalted - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(102);'>MoT</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span>, collar, ironcurse icon, ahw = 179<br /> H: Exalted - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(102);'>MoT</span>, golden eye, halberd, shield, disc = 174<br /> H: Sorcerer [SHADOW/DEATH] - dispel scroll = 110<br /> <br /> C: 18 Warriors - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(99);'>MoK</span>, full command, ahw, shields = 366<br /> C: 18 Warriors - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(102);'>MoT</span>, full command, shields = 338<br /> C: 30 Marauders - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(99);'>MoK</span>, full command, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>gw</span> = 200<br /> C: 30 Marauders - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(99);'>MoK</span>, full command, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>gw</span> = 200<br /> C: 5 Horsemen - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'>MoS</span>, musician, flails, light armor = 96<br /> <br /> R: Hellcannon = 205<br /> ---------<br /> 2493
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				<author><![CDATA[ Dii]]></author>
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