<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "The answer to Dark Eldar"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net The answer to Dark Eldar
The lowly Grot!

For example, your DE opponent flies over with some wyches and goes for oyur boyz, your grots are bubblewrapping them and take the assault. The wyches are using poison so are wounding on 4+... on your T2 models. They are using power weapons that ignore armour... on your models with no save. Their weapons are useless! Then you hit back and take advanage of their low toughness and bang, grots earn their points back!

Even the grot blasta can kill dark eldar with it's equal strength and their bad armour saves. I know that gots aren't the answer to everything in the DE dex but they have always been exceptionl in every game I play against them.

What I guess I want to know is: Have you found any units that perform really well against Deldar? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2181788.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2181788.page GMT The answer to Dark Eldar http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2181891.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2181891.page GMT The answer to Dark Eldar
Emperors Faithful wrote:I am sure that poisoned weapons re-roll to wound if the toughness of the model they are facing is equal to, or less than, their own strength. Can I ask whether it was the grots that did the actual killing or the ork boyz counter charge?


The grots die like grots. Whatever kills them is now in the open ready to be shot at and charged.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2181904.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2181904.page GMT The answer to Dark Eldar DE player, I can say that grots can be effective, but I don't think they are the best thing ever.

While all of the splinter weapons are actually hindered, Wyches, Hellions, Incubi, Warriors, and Trueborn all really don't care; in fact, you help them. None of their close combat weapons are poisoned, but if they get a charge off, they'll kill at least a dozen grots. Eventually, they'll either wipe the squad, or they'll sweeping advance them. Then, the squad gets a pain token, making them even more powerful.

I agree it can be good; I've had a unit or two tarpitted. It really depends on the intelligence and tactics of the DE player. If they use the De's strength of movement, things like Hellions Hit and Run, and don't waste the wrong firepower on the grots, it's relatively simple to use them as pain fodder. If they don't know what to do though, they can win you games.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2182054.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2182054.page GMT The answer to Dark Eldar DE player gets two squads next to the bubbled orks? The first squad pulls grots away, while the second (say, 9 wracks with a CC Haemonculi) goes for the orks.

As for units to counter Dark Eldar? Here are some of my thoughts:

Guard: Lots of Chimeras with Scatter lasers
Codex Marines: Dakka Preds, Heavy Bolter Devastators, Sternguard
Orks: Boyz and Lootaz
Tyranids: Swarms of Termagants (avoid Monstrous Creatures - that 4+ poison will chew them apart)

Can't think of anything else at the moment. But if you're playing imperium, FLAMERS. Flamers, heavy flamers, flamers on flamers. Anything that'll autohit and cause enough wounds to get through the pain tokens that will eventually accumulate.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2183728.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2183728.page GMT The answer to Dark Eldar CCS or vet squads. Chimera are also good. The hellhound can ruin a whych cult player's day for sure.

What I want to know is who can actually stand up to a wyche assault and throw it back in their face.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2184190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2184190.page GMT Re:The answer to Dark Eldar DE a while ago. The biggest thing you need to do is take out the raiders and transports honestly.

If you remove their movement advantage the DE will fold in assault to ork Boys. for 6pts. you get more attacks and a higher toughness. All you need to win is to ensure that you have the charge.

Also, the DE have little to answer Walkers in close combat. They are left to rely on haywire grenades that only hit on 6's and are kinda expensive. You Kans can tie up the squads that have a few pain tokens accumulated, and then go to town on the rest of the army. Also, S6 grotzokas ignore FNP and can still hurt raiders, S8 rokkits really ruin raiders.

The DE rely on striking First, Fast, and Hard. Take out any one of those elements and you are set.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2184292.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2184292.page GMT Re:The answer to Dark Eldar MC's-High Toughness. I will always be a Nidzilla player at heart, or now "Monster Farm" as i call it since the builds rely heavily on growing termagants with tervigons. If i ever tailor a list to play against Dark Eldar it most certainly includes a couple of 12-15 model broods of hormagaunts, termagants, etc. Also Hive Guard, if for nothing else than to shoot down raiders and ravagers. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2184669.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2184669.page GMT The answer to Dark Eldar
Also, the chances of a DE player stranding a squad of wyches in the open needs to get their head examined, especially around a squad of grots that should have been combo charged to begin with.

Just shoot the damn wyches with their blastas and be done with it. Otherwise, lootas, lootas and more lootas is the answer.
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EmilCrane wrote:For guard: AUOTCANNONS! Whereever you can get them, especially in CCS or vet squads. Chimera are also good. The hellhound can ruin a whych cult player's day for sure.

What I want to know is who can actually stand up to a wyche assault and throw it back in their face.


You forgot the best IG answer of all....Hydras!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2186921.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2186921.page GMT Re:The answer to Dark Eldar
Honestly, any codex aside from older stuff like dark angels has a good chance against them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2187388.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2187388.page GMT The answer to Dark Eldar DE. S5 rifles means that you're wounding T3 on a 2+ and have a chance to pen AV 10 (albeit a slight one) and denying any 5+ Saves. S7 AP4 Assault 2 missile pods at 36" range are highly effective at wiping out light armor and ID T3, taking away FNP. Railguns have a S6 AP 4 Large Blast when hammerhead mounted. Tau loses in assault... but they always lose in assault. So long as the Tau player knows his target priority, I can see a game rapidly going in Tau's favor.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2192867.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2192867.page GMT The answer to Dark Eldar IG, SM, SW, maybe BA) can actually do quite well against DE. If you can present overwhelming firepower his AV10 transports will crumble.

Also, combat walkers, particularly AV12 ones do wonders, DE have a hell of a time killing them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2192890.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2192890.page GMT The answer to Dark Eldar DE are a glass hammer and always will be. Prev advice reinforces this. A skilled DE player will avoid and run rings around most foes. Someone who just rushes his army forward, on the other hand will crumble quickly. The best tatic to use against DE is meet or negate thier speed: either by being faster, or keeping your force together as a gigantic blob. That way they can't isolate and eliminate sections if your force without exposing themselves to return fire. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2193316.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2193316.page GMT The answer to Dark Eldar DE cry as Orks, then Kanwall (11 Kans + 2 Dreads+ 2 KFFs), backed up by Lootas will do the job.

The DE have few answers to walkers with cover saves and massed S6 (Grotzookas) and S7 (lootas) firepower....especially when there are boys standing right behind the Kans.

The KFFs will negate much of the Lance firepower of the DE, and the AV11/12 of the walkers will be a tough nut to crack in CC. The S6 and S7 firepower can knock raiders/ravagers out of the sky with ease..especially with number of shots that Grotzzoka kans, and Lootas get each turn.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2195557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2195557.page GMT The answer to Dark Eldar
I can get 6 with 5 DA in them or if in a tourney add two more with Fire dragons bringing the total up to 7.

Also, a squadron of war walkers with SL and lastly a couple of night spinners.

S6 = no FNP for T3.
Small 5 man DA squads mean if they blow up a WS and assault them, they are only killing 5 DA and are now open to S6 destruction. Night Spinners are... S6, can rend and slow them down plus can make them pay for moving at all with Dangerous Terrain checks, which, ignore FNP.

Most everything is at AV 12 so their Dark Lance's Lance is moot.

I ran this last night but didn't face any DE. Still did pretty with in the tourney vs all Marines.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2196003.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2196003.page GMT Re:The answer to Dark Eldar
D3 Str7 hits multiplied by 10-15 will drop those skimmers quickly and the passengers arn't far behind.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2196213.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/331349/2196213.page GMT