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				<description><![CDATA[ i need help making a winning marine list i dont mind if its not that friendly because most people in the tournament i'm playing in are playing to win as well<br /> <br /> the points limit is 1750 points <br /> <br /> i can get people like vulcan or Khan if needed <br /> <br /> this is what i have to work with <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> <br /> <br /> darnath lysander <br /> <br /> chaplain cassuis <br /> <br /> marneus calgar with termie armour with 5 honour guard <br /> <br /> cato sicarius <br /> <br /> 1 librarian termie armour <br /> <br /> 2 captains <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span> can have Artificier armour <br /> <br /> 1 termie armoured captain <br /> <br /> bike captain with 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> <br /> <br /> Troops <br /> <br /> 50 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> marines 2 meltas 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span> 4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> ( for heavy weapons i just use devastators) <br /> <br /> 10 scouts with sniper rifles <br /> <br /> 10 scouts with Mix of weapons <br /> <br /> ELITES <br /> <br /> 16 terminators 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(417);'>CML</span> 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> <br /> <br /> 5 assault termies 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> ( can make more of either) <br /> <br /> 5 normal dreadnoughts 1 has assault cannon and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> <br /> <br /> 1 iron clad dread with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(270);'>SH</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(571);'>DCCW</span> <br /> <br /> 1 venerable dread with assault cannon <br /> <br /> 10 sternguard 5 combi meltas 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> <br /> <br /> 1 techmarine +4 servitors (or mof) <br /> <br /> Fast attack <br /> <br /> 3 land speeders with tornado missile launchers <br /> <br /> 18 assault marines 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span> 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(194);'>PP</span> <br /> <br /> 6 bikes 1 Melta 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PG</span> <br /> <br /> HEAVY SUPPORT <br /> <br /> 2 whirlwinds <br /> <br /> 2 preds 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span> sponsons and the other <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> sponson <br /> <br /> 3 land raiders 1 normal 2 crusaders <br /> <br /> 1 thunderfire cannon <br /> <br /> 2 vindicator <br /> <br /> Devastators <br /> <br /> 6 missile launchers 2 lascannons 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>mm</span> 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span> 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PC</span> <br /> <br /> for dedicated transport i have 5 rhinos and 1 razorback + 6 drop pods<br /> <br /> <br /> So do you think you can help?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:47:11]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Beachjustice]]></author>
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				<title>I Need help making a vanilla marine list. 1750 points</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ You have't said anything about dedicated transports ie how many drop pods + rhinos you have etc.<br /> This was my list at the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>uk</span> throne of skulls tourney last month<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> <br /> Vulkan<br /> 190<br /> <br /> Elites<br /> <br /> Dreadnought, multi melta, heavy flamer<br /> drop pod<br /> 150<br /> <br /> Ironclad Dreadnought, seismic hammer, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(571);'>dccw</span>, meltagun, heavy flamer<br /> drop pod<br /> 180<br /> <br /> Troops<br /> 10 man Tactical squad, meltagun, multi-melta, sarge with powerfist and combi-melta<br /> drop pod<br /> 245<br /> <br /> 10 man Tactical squad, flamer, plasma cannon, sarge with boltgun<br /> 175<br /> <br /> 5 man Tactical squad, sarge with power fist and combi-flamer<br /> Razorback with twin-linked heavy bolter, dozer blade<br /> 170<br /> <br /> Fast attack<br /> Attack bike with multi-melta<br /> 50<br /> <br /> Heavy support<br /> <br /> Predator, autocannon and lascannon sponsons<br /> 120<br /> <br /> Predator, autocannon and lascannon sponsons<br /> 120<br /> <br /> Thunderfire cannon<br /> 100<br /> <br /> 1500 points<br /> <br /> For the extra 250, i would stick in a 5 man squad of thunder hammer termies and basically gaurd the tactical squad that stays back and fires the plasma cannon from a bolstered defence using the thunderfire techmarines ability, and possibly stick extra armour on the normal dread and a twin linked lascannnon on the razor. Or else some multi-melta landspeeders.<br /> <br /> I made this list as i like dreads. But yeah it could do with a tweak, but i won 2, drew 1 and lost 2 at this years throne of skulls. One loss was against Ghaz/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>kff</span> mek/battlewagon deffrolla mob orks (need i say more) and the other was an annihilation game that finished on turn 5 when my opponent had 3 models left and i had a multimelta sitting next to all of them, and rolled a 1 for the game to continue (most ridiculous loss ever!, go figure)<br /> <br /> the preds are there to pop transports with the dreads, plasma cannon and thunderfire going to work on whatever spills out. 5 man squad rides with vulkan in the Razor and acutally makes a decent little finisher unit as 2 twin linked heavy flame and flamer templates then charging with a relic blade and powerfist can usually finish most stuff off (not death company, thats why i stuck in the plasma cannon)<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> You have't said anything about dedicated transports ie how many drop pods + rhinos you have etc.<br /> This was my list at the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>uk</span> throne of skulls tourney last month<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:20:15]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Caranthir987]]></author>
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				<title>Re:I Need help making a vanilla marine list. 1750 points</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ 6 dreads,6 drop pods and a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MOTF</span> model. Sounds like the basis of a fun list to me!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:38:59]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ ruminator]]></author>
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				<title>I Need help making a vanilla marine list. 1750 points</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Assuming you can get hold of a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(333);'>PA</span> Libby I would go for somethng like this<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>Hq</span><br /> Libby - 100<br /> <br /> Troops:<br /> 10xTacticals (mg+combiM,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>) -185<br /> Rhino-35<br /> <br /> 10xTacticals (mg, combiM,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>)-185<br /> Rhino-35<br /> <br /> 5xTacticals-90<br /> Lasplas-75<br /> <br /> Elites<br /> 5xTermies (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>)-200<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span> (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>)-260<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(35);'>FA</span><br /> 3xTyphoon-270 (separate units)<br /> <br /> Heavy<br /> 2xVindi-230<br /> <br /> ACHB Pred-85<br /> <br /> 1750 on the nose]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 Dec 2010 14:12:34]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ tedurur]]></author>
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