dalsiandon wrote:Since this is all about squad and army lists I felt it was the best place to ask what kind of gear you like to include with the army. Now some armies can spend points on tech real easy. And when I ask about Tech, my meaning is not based on Vehicles but unit tech like Auspexes and Servo-skulls equipped with Iron Halos and things of that nature for marines to acid blood in tyranids. Do they have an actual use in the game or are they there just to look cool and be an interesting fluff for the fiction later on. I did some looking over at the Lexicon and in the Codex but found it very limited in dealing with the fluff it seemed to talk more weapons and armor than additional equipment.

One player told me that an Auspex lets you measure before you declare an attack and another player told me that was the Signum pack that a devastator Sgt. wears. So that left me a bit confused and while thats a rules question I felt maybe if I drop it in the army list section and then I can see what kind of units do actually benefit from such tech.

Doctor Optimal wrote:

Seems like this should be somewhere else....

Aldarionn wrote:Is there a particular army you are asking about? My pack loadouts for Space Wolves will not be particularly beneficial to a Tyranid player....

If you are asking about squad loadout, here is what I use for Space Wolves:

Grey Hunters - Wolf Standard, Meltagun, sometimes Mark of the Wulfen. The Wolf Standard is the best 10 points you can spend on a pack of Grey Hunters and can really swing the tide of battle. Mark of the Wulfen is nice to have as it adds quite a bit of melee hitting power against tougher targets.

Thunderwolves - I generally take a pair of Storm Shields, a Thunder Hammer and a Meltabomb in the pack to give each of them different wargear for wound allocation. On 2 wound models this is very important as it can prevent you from removing whole models and lets you spread wounds out across the pack before someone dies. The Storm Shields are there to deal with incoming Power Weapon/Fist attacks and the Thunder Hammer adds some S10 attacks for dealing with Dreadnoughts and the like.

Long Fangs - Just Missile Launchers. I run them relatively stripped down with inexpensive weapons that serve a dual purpose. This keeps the cost down while giving them versatility. It also makes up for the lack of heavy weapons in my Grey Hunter packs.

Wolf Guard - As pack leaders I give them a Power Fist/Combi-Melta, or just the Combi-Melta if it's a 5 man pack in a Razorback. The Fist is cheaper for them than Grey Hunters, and they have an extra attack making it much more efficient to take it on a Wolf Guard than in the pack itself.

Blood Claws - I rarely field them but if I do I run them naked, sometimes with a Meltagun if I have an extra 5 points.

Wolf Scouts - Usually BP/CCW with a Meltagun in the pack and Mark of the Wulfen. Sometimes I give them Meltabombs, and I always attach a pack leader. Meltabombs give them utility against enemy armor/ordnance hiding behind his front lines, and the Mark of the Wulfen gives them some extra combat utility as mentioned in the Grey Hunters entry.

Wolf Lords - I always take them on a Thunderwolf and arm them with a Wolf Claw and Storm Shield. As for "tech" I give them a Wolf Tooth Necklace to ensure they hit ona 3+ against Daemon Princes and the like, and Meltabombs for dealing with Dreadnoughts or vehicles. I also tend to give them Fenrisian Wolves for ablative wounds.

Rune Priests - If one has Living Lightning it gets a Chooser of the Slain to give it BS5, and to push back enemy infiltrators, but other than that I give them minimal gear if any. I tend to keep them cheap and let their powers do the work.

I never upgrade vehicles with any tech except Extra Armor on Land Riaders if I take one, and occasionally Dozer Blades on Vindicators. I cannot think of any other units that I actually take "tech" for as such. Weapon loadouts vary based on the needs of the list, but "tech" is generally classified as "useful" or "crap". Column A almost always makes it into the list while column B never does.

augustus5 wrote:Usually the difference between useful and crap wargear will depend on army and army build. Some gear is so good that it warrants use across many armies. An example of this would be taking an Inquisitor with a psychic hood and two mystics. This unit can be joined with any Space Marine or Imperial Guard army and gives the user a chance to negate a psychic power anywhere on the table as well as take shots at any units deep striking near your Inquisitor.