<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread ""March of the Treekin" Wood Elves 1st Attempt (3000pts.)"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net "March of the Treekin" Wood Elves 1st Attempt (3000pts.) LOTR trilogy both books and movies i figured doing a somewhat an Ent themed list would be rather cool and hopefully somewhat unique, at least where i play. This is my first attempt at this so please all and any help, advice and tips are welcome, thanks for reading mates:

LORDS AND HEROES: (645pts.)

-Treeman Ancient
*w/ Annoyance of Nettlings, Cluster of Radiants

-Spellweaver Lvl. 3
*w/ Wand of Wych Elm, Lore of Beasts

CORE: 750pts.

-x12 Glade Guard
*w/ Musician

-x12 Glade Guard
*w/ Musician

-x12 Glade Guard
*w/ Musician

-x12 Glade Guard
*w/ Musician

-x12 Glade Guard
*w/ Musician

SPECIAL 1035pts.:

-x5 Treekin
*w/ Treekin Elder

-x5 Treekin
*w/ Treekin Elder

-x5 Treekin
*w/ Treekin Elder

RARE: 570pts.

-Treeman

-Treeman

TOTAL ARMY: 3000pts.


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I love Lore of Beasts, many will tell you that Life is better, which maybe it is, but Beasts is SO much more aggressive.

That said, why no dryads?

Also I think most people agree that the treekin elder is not worth the points, but I have not tried it personally.

Good luck!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2260897.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2260897.page GMT "March of the Treekin" Wood Elves 1st Attempt (3000pts.)
Personally, I think this is an awesome list. It uses all of the wood elf strengths- the forest spirits, and the glade guard and level 3/4 spellsinger. You may be able to fit in the spellsinger in your lords slot at 2500, I'm not sure.

I am also interested by the lack of dryads, but putting in glade guard instead addresses the huge weakness of forest spirit-heavy armies... no ranged attacks! That and the magic of your spellsinger will help so much, although I'd give him life to heal wounds on treemen / treekin.

I really like this list, and think it could be quite effective- especially against combat armies, as they're going to have to walk through arrows blocking out the sun to get to your trees. Best of both worlds!

Against shooty armies, you may miss the dryads, as they are quite resilient to shooting. But it is hard to find a use for them in most lists (other than walking through shooting) that other units do not do better.

Like I said, I'd love to see if this could work at 2500- the main issue would be fitting in the spellsinger and treeman ancient in the lords slot (perhaps with no upgrades, or almost none). I also think LIFE will be your best bet- treemen are very vulnerable in 8th, and being able to put wounds back on them makes your very expensive investments a little more likely to get their points back.

NICE list!!!

Edit: I would also drop the treekin elders- they simply allow characters to escape the wrath of your unit by challenging. Instead, you NEED banners! Or else you'll auto-lose the blood & glory mission. I would put in rather a lot into those glade guard units... another thing to consider is, at the 3K level, making one unit of treekin 8-strong. I've found that 6 is no match for heavy combat blocks, and so you rely on 2 units of 6 getting the charge- and often one falls short. A unit of 8 accompanied by a treeman can handle lots of things in this game!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2263469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2263469.page GMT "March of the Treekin" Wood Elves 1st Attempt (3000pts.) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2263647.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2263647.page GMT "March of the Treekin" Wood Elves 1st Attempt (3000pts.) IMO.

Bwahahahahahah.

60 s5 attacks? Yes, thank you.

I've never been terribly impressed by a treeman ancient, and by removing it you could do lvl4 spellsingers, one beasts, one life. However, beasts without killy characters is... less amazing than otherwise, iirc. A lvl 4 slinging Athel Loren might be very effective, as it increases your chances of getting the good spells.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2263956.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2263956.page GMT Re:"March of the Treekin" Wood Elves 1st Attempt (3000pts.) :

2500 POINT WOOD ELF LIST

LORDS AND HEROES: (245pts.)

-Spellweaver Lvl. 3
*w/ Divination Orb, Iron Curse Icon, Lore of Life

CORE: 648pts.

-x12 Glade Guard
*w/ Banner

-x12 Glade Guard
*w/ Banner

-x12 Glade Guard
*w/ Banner

-x12 Glade Guard
*w/ Banner

SPECIAL 1035pts.:

-x5 Treekin
*w/ Treekin Elder

-x5 Treekin
*w/ Treekin Elder

-x5 Treekin
*w/ Treekin Elder

RARE: 570pts.

-Treeman

-Treeman

TOTAL ARMY: 2498]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2268753.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2268753.page GMT "March of the Treekin" Wood Elves 1st Attempt (3000pts.) hard with the treekin and treemen. It looks rather perfect with the exception of a lack of level 4 on the spellsinger! I'd be tempted to chop off two of the elder upgrades for that for sure. I also might be tempted to chop just a bit off the core (since you have a little to spare above 25%) to get him another item or two. There are so many juicy ones... I'm thinking of the one that makes his unit immune to psychology especially (from the wood elf book) since otherwise his unit of glade guard could be shot and panic with no re-roll, even on his high leadership. I've seen it happen to a spellsinger in a similar setup!! And it wasn't pretty...

I also see that you could just barely fit in a (naked) treeman ancient in your lords category with that spellsinger. That's a good option to have up your sleeve, at least! Although I like the list as-is very much, and do not suggest adding him at the moment... although if you find yourself going up against a lot of uber characters, it will be something to consider (although you'd have to lose the orb if you wanted him to fill that role, with annoyance of nettlings, and any opponent worth his salt is just going to challenge him with a unit champion, anyway).

Again fantastic list and I would love to see you make this!!


Edit: Erhm, ahem, erhm... I see that your treekin units are actually 5-strong including the elder, not 6. I really think you need 6 to be effective... they just barely come out on top against tough units even at 6 (I like a unit of 8 in my army when I can!).

Therefore I suggest considering running 2 units at 8-strong, without the elders. You'd be 3 points over as-is, but you could simply mix things up in your core a bit (giving a unit a musician instead of a banner, or the like) to get that. 5 treekin just won't be able to take on serious combat units... whereas 8 can take on anything except an opposing deathstar, and with a treeman's support, can even handle some of those for a turn or two.

Otherwise, you could try to chop 130 or so points to get 2 more treekin (considering that you already dropped the elder upgrades to get one of them) and run 3 units of 6. However, I think you should definitely consider the units of 8 instead- 8th edition is all about large units, and having those extra 2 treekin takes the unit from being vulnerable in combat to being a predator that can defeat most enemy blocks.


Edit2: Here's what the list would look like with units of 8 Treekin, dropping the ironcurse icon to make it fit:

LORDS AND HEROES: 240pts.
-Spellweaver Lvl. 3
*w/ Divination Orb, Lore of Life

CORE: 648pts.
-x12 Glade Guard w/ Banner
-x12 Glade Guard w/ Banner
-x12 Glade Guard w/ Banner
-x12 Glade Guard w/ Banner

SPECIAL 1040pts.:
-x8 Treekin
-x8 Treekin

RARE: 570pts.
-Treeman
-Treeman

TOTAL ARMY: 2498

It keeps your symmetry, although I have found myself of late being much more willing to have units that have more variation. You could swap the orb for a standard dispel scroll or the like, and use the points to get the immune to psychology wood elf item. Or play with the core and mix those up a bit to get the points. If it was my list I'd be chopping at the core and figuring out some configuration with slightly varying units to get the core down to 625 exactly. With the 2 points you have to spare, that'd get you 25 points. Dropping the divination orb to a regular dispel scroll gets you the last 10 points you need, to have 35 points leftover and upgrade him to a level 4

That +1 to cast and dispel, not to mention knowing another spell (you only know 3 right now!!!) would be so Totally worth it, imho! So I'd figure out how to do that in the core... and it would also make the list a little more varied / interesting in the process
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2268869.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2268869.page GMT "March of the Treekin" Wood Elves 1st Attempt (3000pts.)
However, that gives you the flexibility to do some of the things I was thinking!

My #1 priority would be to add a magic banner to 1 unit of glade guard (you're allowed to for a single unit) and give them the banner of eternal flame. Knock a wound off of a model with regeneration (hydras, HPA, trolls, plaguebearers, etc) and then for the rest of the shooting phase they won't get regeneration, either. It's an AMAZING value for 10 points, especially for your army, to soften up some of those crazy-hard targets that you'd have to take out fully in combat otherwise.

That still leaves you 16 points, you could get some toys for your spellsinger with that. OR, change one unit of glade guard to 8 scouts with musician, and you'll have 24 points... enough for Elynett's Brooch to let you reroll failed psychology tests, if you like. I was really trying to chop one more point off of core (that would put you at 626 currently...) to knock it down to 625, save 25 points, and get the horn of asrai. That could really mess up your enemy's plans when they get close... you can pre-measure and move yourself just within their charge range, then force them to attempt to charge (which they would fail with anything but double 6's) unless they pass a leadership test, and basically get another turn to back up before they can feasibly charge you if they fail.

But that would require another point, and I can't figure out how to get the glade guard to 625 on the dot at the moment, so I'm just going to say get the banner of eternal flame and something else . But seriously... that thing will be a lifesaver for you!!! For just 10 points it's too good to pass up, and apparently with the math you have those points available, anyway!
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2271387.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2271387.page GMT Re:"March of the Treekin" Wood Elves 1st Attempt (3000pts.) . Thanks for the heads up. I really do like the idea of being able to give a squad flaming attacks and the saved points would be rather nice. I took the banners with my GG just for the fact that i wont lose the banner mission outright in tournament play as we may come across it, however for friendly games i would probably not even run them at all just so i could take some more items, primarily raise my spellweaver to level 4. However with the possibility of coming across that game in a tournament ill add the banners on. I will try to come up with a way to run this better and will post it in the near future, thanks again for the tips!
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2271522.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2271522.page GMT "March of the Treekin" Wood Elves 1st Attempt (3000pts.) . The one catch is that you'll need to add 1 point to your current core to get it to the minimum 25% (625). But just the flaming banner does that quite nicely, leaving you the extra points to play with .

Assuming you do the above, if you wanted level 4, you could just drop the orb for it, and pick up either Ironcurse Icon or Potion of Foolhardiness with those last 5 points. (Assuming you have the above core with just the flaming banner added, although I'd probably mix it up a bit more, perhaps with a unit of glade guard scouts)

Cheers and will give you time to think about it . It's a nice list and I wonder if we'll see more people going this route!


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2271537.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2271537.page GMT Re:"March of the Treekin" Wood Elves 1st Attempt (3000pts.) :

WOOD ELVES 2500 POINTS: (*Second Attempt*)

LORDS AND HEROES: 270pts.

Level 4. Spellweaver
*w/ Channeling Staff, Iron Curse Icon, Lore of Life/Beasts

CORE: 625pts.

-x15 Glade Guard (*Spellweaver Goes Here*)
*w/ Banner of Springtide

-x16 Glade Guard
*w/ Banner

-x16 Glade Guard
*w/ Banner

SPECIAL 1035pts.:

-x5 Treekin
*w/ Treekin Elder

-x5 Treekin
*w/ Treekin Elder

-x5 Treekin
*w/ Treekin Elder

RARE: 570pts.

-Treeman

-Treeman

TOTAL ARMY: 2500 POINTS]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2274117.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2274117.page GMT Re:"March of the Treekin" Wood Elves 1st Attempt (3000pts.)

All of the advice given by RiTides is sound advice and I agree that a lot of Wood Elf armies will heading this route, shoot em up then smash with the trees

I agree the 5 strong units of Treekin need played about with if you make two Units, two 8 strong (think you will have the points by dropping one of the Elders but don’t have my book to hand) I know have less drops with this set up and lose a bit of manoeuvrability but they really will scare the out of your opponent when he sees them lined up.

I can't really offer any more advice, a very solid list and most of the tweaks have been covered by RiTides.

Hope Santa was good for you all!
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The beauty of 3-wide treekin is that they are 120mm wide- meaning against heavy combat troops (on 25mm bases) only 6 can be in base-to-base with you (as opposed to 7 if your total width was 125mm). That's only one more 25mm infantry than can fit against a unit of 2-wide treekin. What a bargain!!

With 4-wide, 8 can be in base-to-base, which is two more infantry... but it's really helpful against other big stuff.

Anyway, interested to hear the reasoning behind 5-wide... and yes, it is so that I can talk you out of it
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gmaleron wrote:Basically its coming down to do i want to totally kick ass in CC with 8 or have a better chance at living.

In that case I feel confident that my argument will win the day

But seriously, that's what playtesting is for! The only reason I espouse units of 8 now (whereas lots of lists sport units of 6) is from trying it out and finding that 8 really does the job fantastically, and that with 6 I was running into problems once I'd lost one or two.

So, any plans to make this list a reality? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2274982.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2274982.page GMT "March of the Treekin" Wood Elves 1st Attempt (3000pts.) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2275013.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335529/2275013.page GMT