<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines HQ:
Vulkan (190)
Librarian (125) w/ Terminator Armor

ELITES:
Assault Terminators x5 (200) w/ Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield x5
Land Raider Redeemer (250) w/ Multimelta (Dedicated Transport)
Dreadnought (105) w/ Multimelta, CCW
Drop Pod (35)
Dreadnought (105) w/ Multimelta, CCW
Prod Pod (35)

TROOPS:
Tactical Squad x10 (180) w/ Flamer, Missile Launcher, Combi Flamer
Rhino (35)
Tactical Squad x10 (180) w/ Flamer, Missile Launcher, Combi Flamer
Rhino (35)
Scouts x5 (100) w/ Sniper Rifles, Missile Launcher, Camo Cloaks x5

HEAVY SUPPORT:
Devasators x5 (150) w/ Missile Launcher x4
Drop Pod (35)
Predator (120) w/ Lascannon Sponsons
Predator (120) w/ Lascannon Sponsons

TOTAL: 2000

So pretty much the Dreads come in turn one from a Drop Pod and hopefully take out some armor, and distract the enemy until my Tac Squads and Termies show. The Devastators use the third pod, but deploy normally turn one so it is only Vulkan coming down turn 2 or 3 (If its possible to wait) and he will join close combat with the Termies, or run around with the Tac Squads.

The Devastators provide Anti Tank fire support while sitting back with the scouts and predators.

The Librarian will go with the LRR and Assault termies and wreak havoc.


How does this list sound? Do you think I should swap out my scouts for some MM Speeders?



EDIT: Also, another thing I was thinking of doing was keeping the Devs in the Drop Pod with Vulkan and then dropping them mid field with multimeltas instead. (They would benefit from the tiwn linked melta rule)

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2260841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2260841.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265857.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines I'd give the Librarian a storm shield and the LR extra armor.

I'd drop the Dev's Pod empty onto an objective if necessary.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265872.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines Eatra Armour on the LR and HF's on the Dreadnoughts are almost necessary in my eyes.

Overall I like the list but I'm not too keen on Vulkan running about on his own and the Dev's just look a little soft. I do like the idea of dropping down with Vulkan and meltering things but I think sternguard with combi-weapons would be better.

5 sternguard with Combi-melters = same as the Devs.

Plus its more fluffy and fun =]

Ga.
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wuestenfux wrote:Sternguard? You have no free elite slot.


Another good point, I'm not sure I would be willing to drop the Dreads either, I don't want a full Drop army.

Also, Vulkan would detach from the Dev's and run up to join a tac squad once dropped. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265910.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265910.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265943.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265943.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines tac squad when they hop out. OR I could drop the devs for an assault squad or something in a drop pod that will come in with vulkan.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265970.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265970.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265975.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265975.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines
Devs in a drop pod with ML's? What?

Why is Vulkan even in this list?

One land raider is a big bullseye.

I would swap the ml's for mm's in the tac squads and just drop the combi-flamers. Drop the dev squad and get mm/hf speeders.

That's just for starters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265983.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines
wuestenfux wrote:Sternguard? You have no free elite slot.


Good point, something I completely overlooked. My bad. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265991.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265991.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines
imweasel wrote:Ummm...

Devs in a drop pod with ML's? What?

Why is Vulkan even in this list?

One land raider is a big bullseye.

I would swap the ml's for mm's in the tac squads and just drop the combi-flamers. Drop the dev squad and get mm/hf speeders.

That's just for starters.

Well, the Dev's Pod will drop empty and will allow the other two Pods to arrive in 1st turn.
Vulkan helps with all those flamers and meltas.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2265996.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines MM's and flamers on his tac squads. Let's just say if the tac squads are using their flamers, either the game is in hand or it's out of hand. Either way, having Vulkan in this list seems kind of a waste of points.

Taking a pod just so you can drop 2 dreads for mm shots seems to be another waste of points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266018.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266018.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines
imweasel wrote:He has 3 MM's and flamers on his tac squads. Let's just say if the tac squads are using their flamers, either the game is in hand or it's out of hand. Either way, having Vulkan in this list seems kind of a waste of points.

Taking a pod just so you can drop 2 dreads for mm shots seems to be another waste of points.

At least its some kind of tactics prior to the game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266022.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266022.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines
Come on W, I know you are better than this!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266026.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266026.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines
imweasel wrote:If that is sufficient tactics to get him a win, then I doubt he needs to worry to much about beating whatever opponent he is playing.

Come on W, I know you are better than this!

In fact, I'd drop the Dev's and give one Tactical a Pod instead of a Rhino. This would make the army smoother since now it would be fully mech. This would allow to include two Speeders with multimelta and heavy flamer reflecting the Vulcan style.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266060.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266060.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines
IMHO, if you take vulkan, you take VULKAN. If you get my drift...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266074.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266074.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines
imweasel wrote:Much better W. I still don't like the scouts in the list either.

IMHO, if you take vulkan, you take VULKAN. If you get my drift...

I got it: VULKAN.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266076.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266076.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines
I feel that Wuestenfux cleared up pretty much what I was going to say...

Scouts/Devs are there to hold objectives in the back field, I have no problem with dropping the scouts, but I feel that the devastators will provide decent fire support in cover, I see what you mean by the full mech list though. Also, if I made it the other way around, from my experience, for 100 points scouts do their job well, they have not attracted a lot of fire at all in any of the games I've played, and with Telion (If included) they can pick off SGTs w/ Power fists.

If I do give a tac squad a pod, would it still be as effective? a Rhino and a Land Raider moving up the field isn't to difficult to deal with. At least with the two Rhino's I can give a save for my Land Raider if the enemy does decide to split his fire to the Dreads and Transports.

I don't have a huge problem with Land speeders, I dont want to drop a necessary unit for them though, in my opinion scouts would be more useful than land speeders in objective games.
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revackey wrote:Dropping them for speeders? That sounds fine, and would save me some cash too.

Yes, the Speeders will serve you better in this list. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266113.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266113.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines
Furthermore, I would need to find a spot to put Vulkan then, like taking only 9 Tac Marines with no wargear in a pod right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266122.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines How many models fit into a Pod?`I think 12.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266126.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266126.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines
wuestenfux wrote:Well, indeed, I'd give one Tactical a Drop Pod instead of a Rhino.
How many models fit into a Pod?`I think 12.


Your right, 12 do, that was my mistake!

I imagine if I play it right I could still use the remaining Rhino to give my LRR a cover save.

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revackey wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:Well, indeed, I'd give one Tactical a Drop Pod instead of a Rhino.
How many models fit into a Pod?`I think 12.


Your right, 12 do, that was my mistake!

I imagine if I play it right I could still use the remaining Rhino to give my LRR a cover save.


The transport capacity of SW and BA Pods is different - that's pretty strange.
The LRR should be fine if you launch smoke in 1st turn - against a shooty opponent.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266133.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266133.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines
revackey wrote:Scouts/Devs are there to hold objectives in the back field, I have no problem with dropping the scouts, but I feel that the devastators will provide decent fire support in cover, I see what you mean by the full mech list though. Also, if I made it the other way around, from my experience, for 100 points scouts do their job well, they have not attracted a lot of fire at all in any of the games I've played, and with Telion (If included) they can pick off SGTs w/ Power fists.


I would rather have a tac squad in a razorback for that, but I can see your point. Devs can't hold objectives.

revackey wrote:If I do give a tac squad a pod, would it still be as effective? a Rhino and a Land Raider moving up the field isn't to difficult to deal with. At least with the two Rhino's I can give a save for my Land Raider if the enemy does decide to split his fire to the Dreads and Transports.


One rhino can give the LR a cover save from one facing. Move the rhino and pop smoke, move the LR behind it. Move the LR and pop smoke. Hopefully by then you will have reached your destination and unloaded the termies.

revackey wrote:I don't have a huge problem with Land speeders, I dont want to drop a necessary unit for them though, in my opinion scouts would be more useful than land speeders in objective games.


MM/HF speeders are essential to a vulkan list, imho.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266134.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266134.page GMT 2,000 Point Compeditive Vanilla Marines
wuestenfux wrote:
revackey wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:Well, indeed, I'd give one Tactical a Drop Pod instead of a Rhino.
How many models fit into a Pod?`I think 12.


Your right, 12 do, that was my mistake!

I imagine if I play it right I could still use the remaining Rhino to give my LRR a cover save.


The transport capacity of SW and BA Pods is different - that's pretty strange.
The LRR should be fine if you launch smoke in 1st turn - against a shooty opponent.


Vanilla Pods hole 12 models, or a thunderfire cannon OR a dread.

Sounds good, I'll try this list out sometime this week.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266140.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/335536/2266140.page GMT