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				<description><![CDATA[ Hey guys I was just wanting to throw this list online and see what you guys thought.  My local gaming store plays 1250 points and the games are pretty competitive.  Thanks for your imput.  Also, i'm not sure how I should equip my Librarian.  Any thoughts?<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>:<br /> Librarian <br /> <br /> Troops:<br /> 5x Assault Squad (Librarian)  <br /> -Power Fist<br /> Razor Back<br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Lascannon <br /> <br /> 5x Assault Squad<br /> -Power Fist<br /> Razor Back<br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Lascannon <br /> <br /> 5x Assault Squad<br /> -Power Fist<br /> Razor Back<br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Lascannon <br /> <br /> Elites:<br /> Furiosio Dread Naught<br /> -Blood Talons<br /> -Drop Pod<br /> <br /> Furiosio Dread Naught<br /> -Blood Talons<br /> -Drop Pod<br /> <br /> Furiosio Dread Naught<br /> -Blood Talons<br /> -Drop Pod<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:49:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Woah.<br /> <br /> So, you need to lose those powerfists. drop all of them.<br /> <br /> Just some plain jane marines in razorbacks - saving you some points.<br /> <br /> Drop a dread - that third one is a waste since he wont come in turn one with the rest.<br /> <br /> Instead use all these points I've saves you for another assault squad in a drop pod with a meltagun and a lightning claw (Lightning claw is the same cost as a power weapon.) <br /> <br /> 3 Assault squads in Las backs Run around shooting stuff and hold backfield objectives. 2  Dread pods come in turn one and stir up trouble Then last pod with marines comes down too hold up an enemy objective.<br /> <br /> Congrats - a list that might be able to do something.<br /> <br /> I sorta like it actually.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Its still a bit sub par - but played right you should cause some damage.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:18:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Stubby]]></author>
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				<title>Re:1250 Competitive Blood Angels</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ So basically, with your suggestions we're looking at a list like this:<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>: <br /> Librarian (100 pts)<br /> -Blood Boil, The Sanguine Sword<br /> <br /> Troops: <br /> 5x Assault Squad (100 pts)<br /> -(Librarian)  <br /> Razorback (90 pts)<br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Lascannon <br /> <br /> 5x Assault Squad (100 pts)<br /> Razorback (90 pts)<br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Lascannon <br /> <br /> 5x Assault Squad (100 pts)<br /> Razorback (90 pts)<br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Lascannon <br /> <br /> 5x Assault Squad (125 pts)<br /> -Lightning Claw<br /> -Meltagun<br /> -Drop Pod (35 pts)<br /> <br /> Elites: <br /> Furiosio Dreadnought (125 pts)<br /> -Blood Talons <br /> -Drop Pod (35 pts)<br /> <br /> Furiosio Dreadnought (125 pts)<br /> -Blood Talons <br /> -Drop Pod (35 pts)<br /> <br /> Total: 1150<br /> <br /> since we've removed the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PFs</span> from the squads in the razorbacks, we're looking at another 100 pts to spend. some options i've come up with are:<br /> <br /> 1. reinstate the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PFs</span> (75 pts)<br /> 2. upgrade the librarian to an epistolary, give dreads extra armor and razorbacks dozer blades (95 pts)<br /> 3. upgrade the librarian to an epistolary, give razorbacks extra armor (95 pts)<br /> 4. upgrade the librarian to an epistolary, give razorbacks storm bolter and dozer blade (95 pts)<br /> <br /> additionally, with the dedicated transport ability, assault squads can give up the jump packs for a 35 point discount toward the razorbacks, which would free up another 105 points.  is this advisable? i also wonder which two psychic abilities would be best for the librarian.  i gave him Blood Boil and the Sanguine Sword here, but Smite looks good as well.  any thoughts?<br /> <br /> input appreciated. thanks again]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 27 Dec 2010 22:22:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ shellshock987]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think assault squads are much better with Jet Packs.  You should run full squads of them with packs.  Just a thought.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Why not something like this<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>:<br /> Librarian<br /> -Might of Heroes, Blood Boil<br /> <br /> Troops:<br /> 10x Assault Squad<br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> <br /> 10x Assault Squad<br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> <br /> 10x Assault Squad<br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> <br /> Elite:<br /> Furioso Dread<br /> -Blood Talons<br /> -Melta<br /> -Heavy Flamer<br /> <br /> -Drop Pod<br /> <br /> Furioso Dread<br /> -Blood Talons<br /> -Melta<br /> -Heavy Flamer<br /> <br /> -Drop Pod<br /> <br /> Furioso Dread<br /> -Blood Talons<br /> -Melta<br /> -Heavy Flamer<br /> <br /> -Drop Pod<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 28 Dec 2010 05:08:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Bad_Sheep37]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ That is a totally different army build...<br /> <br /> With the original list drop all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PFs</span> and add a melta in each squad. Also i would either use las/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>plas</span> or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> twin linked las cannon is the worst <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>imo</span>. Drop one of the dreads. this leaves you with 195 points left.<br /> <br /> Also RAS gets a 35 point discount on all dedicated transports so that opens up another 105 points so that you have 300 points to use. I would get 2 baal preds and a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> speeder. or if you want a little more protection when your razors blow up a priest with a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span> and melta bombs]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 28 Dec 2010 05:35:26]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Glendor]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You forgot to discount your vehicles - giving you a total of 240 points left.<br /> <br />  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>: <br /> Librarian (100 pts) <br /> -Blood Boil, The Sanguine Sword <br /> <br /> Troops: <br /> 5x Assault Squad (100 pts) <br /> -(Librarian) <br /> Razorback (55 pts) <br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Lascannon <br /> <br /> 5x Assault Squad (100 pts) <br /> Razorback (55 pts) <br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Lascannon <br /> <br /> 5x Assault Squad (100 pts) <br /> Razorback (55 pts) <br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Lascannon <br /> <br /> 5x Assault Squad<br /> -Lightning Claw <br /> -Meltagun <br /> -Drop Pod (free) <br /> <br /> Elites: <br /> Furiosio Dreadnought (125 pts) <br /> -Blood Talons <br /> -Drop Pod (35 pts) <br /> <br /> Furiosio Dreadnought (125 pts) <br /> -Blood Talons <br /> -Drop Pod (35 pts) <br /> <br /> <br /> From here i would add a couple <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> Speeders - They can turbo boost turn one - and then they'll support your dreads. Add more boots to your assault squad in a pod but leave a space for your libby in there - they need to be able to cause some problems.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Also - make your razorbacks Las/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>Plas</span> - its so much better.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Stubby]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I would use shield of sanguinius or either unleash rage, sanguine sword, fear of darkness, or blood lance.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 28 Dec 2010 17:23:18]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Glendor]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ With the Pod squad - i suggest Sheild & Fear - or Sheild & Rage.<br /> <br /> Sheild will help with plasma. Fear will send things like Lootas, or unwatched longfangs running.<br /> <br /> Or rage which will make you a bamf in assault.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 29 Dec 2010 07:27:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Stubby]]></author>
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				<title>Re:1250 Competitive Blood Angels</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ The idea of using the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> speeders seems good for support, though i've never used them before and i'm wondering how long they last, especially when using the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span>.  It seems that they'd be assaulted the next turn and with AV10 would have a tough time standing up to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PWs</span>.<br /> <br /> Also, is it possible for assault squads to keep their jump packs AND take the dedicated transport (ie, drop pod) without the discount, or are they required to surrender the jump packs in order have a dedicated transport? ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 4 Jan 2011 15:33:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ shellshock987]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Speeders are going to die fast no matter what once they get into the fray.  Turbo boost them getting a 3+ save turn 1, then turn 2 move in a pop armor.  If they got rid of a tank or a dread or some other heavy threat then they did their job and they can die.  I doubt anyone would waste an assault on them, they would prob shoot it down before it got to the line, but thats also yet another target that nobody would let run around their back field popping their armor...just another distraction taking fire away from your heavy hitters.  <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 4 Jan 2011 23:06:22]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Bad_Sheep37]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>shellshock987 wrote:</cite>Also, is it possible for assault squads to keep their jump packs AND take the dedicated transport (ie, drop pod) without the discount, or are they required to surrender the jump packs in order have a dedicated transport? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> Codex <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>pg</span>. 89 -Dedicated Transports "The squad can remove its jump packs to count as infantry.  <font color='red'>It can then</font> have any Dedicated Transport at a 35-point discount (see page 90)"<br /> <br /> No they can't have both the packs and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(458);'>DT</span>.  I wish they could too, would play into a list idea I had for a while.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 5 Jan 2011 04:42:25]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ The Dawnflyer]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Right. I had read the blurb in p 89 but wasn't totally clear on the interpretation. i was hoping it would be both, but thanks for clearing it up.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I would suggest something like this:<br /> <br /> <br /> 1 Librarian (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>) @ 100 Pts<br />      Shield of Sanguinius; [insert power here]<br /> <br /> 3 x 4 Assault Squad (Troops) @ 180 Pts<br />      Meltagun<br /> <br />      1 Space Marine Sergeant <br />          Infernus Pistol<br /> <br />      1 Razorback @ [55] Pts<br />           Lascannon and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Plasma Gun<br /> <br /> <br /> 2 x 1 Furioso Dreadnought (Elites) @ 170 Pts<br />      <br />      Heavy Flamer; Blood Talon; Blood Talon w/Meltagun<br /> <br />      1 Drop Pod <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> 4 Assault Squad (Troops) @ 140 Pts<br />      Meltagun <br /> <br />      1 Space Marine Sergeant <br />         Power Fist<br /> <br />      1 Drop Pod <br /> <br /> 4 Devastator Squad (Heavy Support) @ 130 Pts<br />     Missile Launcher x4<br /> <br />      1 Space Marine Sergeant <br /> <br /> OR dreadnought <br />        2 x twin linked autocannon @120 pts with ten points to spend elsewhere.<br /> <br /> Total Army Cost: 1250<br /> <br /> thats a libby with shield to give your razorbacks cover saves, with the second power being whatever you wish, 3 scoring units in razorbacks, 2 dreads dropping turn 1, with another scoring unit dropping after that, probably on your home objective so that you don't need to hang back with a razorback if you don't want to, and a small devestator squad or a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(587);'>rifledread</span> to give you some more suppression fire from backfield.<br /> <br /> grrr<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Looking over that post, i would move the powerfist on the drop pod assault squad to the razorback squad with the libby.<br /> <br /> grrr]]></description>
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