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				<description><![CDATA[ A player at my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(38);'>FLGS</span> claims I cannot take vetrans as my 2 required troops and that I must take 2 platoons and a company command squad before I can take Vets even though vets are troops as well.<br /> <br /> Is he right or am I right]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 29 Dec 2010 00:50:53]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Vets are their own troop. You dont need a platoon for them. So in this case you are completely correct. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 29 Dec 2010 00:52:46]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ thank you for clarification, now i can tell him the vet army I used was totaly legal]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 29 Dec 2010 00:53:54]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ He is wrong.  You can take Veterans, Platoons, or Penal Legion Squads as troops.<br /> <br /> Vet-Mech lists use nothing as troops except veterans. <br /> <br /> You will need a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> unit though.  Either a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(338);'>CCS</span></span>, Lord Commissar, or Primaris Psyker will work.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Post your list.  Maybe there was something else in it that stuck in his craw.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> He's probably thinking of previous editions when Veterans were an elite choice.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 29 Dec 2010 00:54:38]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>JB wrote:</cite>He is wrong.  You can take Veterans, Platoons, or Penal Legion Squads as troops.<br /> <br /> Vet-Mech lists use nothing as troops except veterans. <br /> <br /> You will need a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> unit though.  Either a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(338);'>CCS</span></span>, Lord Commissar, or Primaris Psyker will work.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Post your list.  Maybe there was something else in it that stuck in his craw.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> He's probably thinking of previous editions when Veterans were an elite choice.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Agree with this 100%]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 29 Dec 2010 00:57:43]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Point out to him the Infantry Platoon Composition on P96.<br /> <br /> Then the *Note at the bottom of P97.<br /> <br /> Then the lack of an asterisk for Veteran Squads on P98.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:36:00]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Scott-S6]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Tell him to catch up and read the current codex!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:49:47]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Just ask him to cite a page number.  <br /> <br /> Or let him know that vets are troops now--they used to be a 0-1 elites unit and the fact that they're veterans confuses the crap out of some new players.  ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 30 Dec 2010 03:49:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ MekanobSamael]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>MekanobSamael wrote:</cite>Just ask him to cite a page number.  <br /> <br /> Or let him know that vets are troops now--they used to be a 0-1 elites unit and the fact that they're veterans confuses the crap out of some new players.  </div></blockquote>Vets are now veterans? Apparently it does confuse some players.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:49:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Scott-S6]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Scott-S6 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>MekanobSamael wrote:</cite>Just ask him to cite a page number.  <br /> <br /> Or let him know that vets are troops now--they used to be a 0-1 elites unit and the fact that they're veterans confuses the crap out of some new players.  </div></blockquote>Vets are now veterans? Apparently it does confuse some players.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well, the unit <i>is</i> called a "Veteran Squad" and it is made up of "Veterans"...<br /> <br /> So yeah, I would say that Vets are veterans.<br /> <br /> Generally, in most armies, units of Veteran troops are Elites choices. We <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> players get the cream of the crop(hey, they obviously survived at least 1 battle wearing tin-foil armor and shooting flashlights at the enemy) as a Basic troops choice.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:35:33]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Kommissar Kel]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Kommissar Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Scott-S6 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>MekanobSamael wrote:</cite>Just ask him to cite a page number.  <br /> <br /> Or let him know that vets are troops now--they used to be a 0-1 elites unit and the fact that they're veterans confuses the crap out of some new players.  </div></blockquote>Vets are now veterans? Apparently it does confuse some players.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well, the unit <i>is</i> called a "Veteran Squad" and it is made up of "Veterans"...<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> He meant to say "Vets are now troops.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:27:25]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Scott-S6]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ And they're only 20 more points than a squad of noobs! <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> is such a great army.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:30:27]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Lonecoon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't know about other armies, but it always seems that guard players have the worst time with people misunderstanding how the guard works.<br /> <br /> The first game I played in 5th edition, one of the players informed me that I needed to guess a range with my basilisk. That was TWO RULES EDITIONS out of date...<br /> <br /> That said, it does seem that there are a lot of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> players out there who still hold onto out of date ideas, so maybe it's not just the guard...<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:37:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Ailaros]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ailaros wrote:</cite>I don't know about other armies, but it always seems that guard players have the worst time with people misunderstanding how the guard works.<br /> <br /> The first game I played in 5th edition, one of the players informed me that I needed to guess a range with my basilisk. That was TWO RULES EDITIONS out of date...<br /> <br /> That said, it does seem that there are a lot of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> players out there who still hold onto out of date ideas, so maybe it's not just the guard...<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I agree...<br /> <br /> People get confused about:<br /> <br /> 1.  Vets as troops<br /> <br /> 2.  No more armored fist squads<br /> <br /> 3.  Any former guess weapon including Basalisks<br /> <br /> 4.  Ordnance fire from <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(89);'>LRBT</span> and variants under the Lumbering Behemoth special rule<br /> <br /> 5.  Two dice pick the highest for penetration rolls for Ordnance weapons.  I frequently have to point my opponents to p. 58 and 60 of the rulebook, especially when I'm trying to penetrate vehicle side or rear armor with my Ordnance barrages.<br /> <br /> 6.  Commissars as upgrades rather than <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(67);'>ICs</span>.<br /> <br /> <br /> Did I miss any?<br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/a634d4056bc15b21ef25d1960801aa76.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:00:20]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ JB]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Scott-S6 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>MekanobSamael wrote:</cite>Just ask him to cite a page number.  <br /> <br /> Or let him know that vets are troops now--they used to be a 0-1 elites unit and the fact that they're veterans confuses the crap out of some new players.  </div></blockquote>Vets are now veterans? Apparently it does confuse some players.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Vets no longer being elites confuses veteran players?!?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 31 Dec 2010 03:10:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Doctor Optimal]]></author>
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