Lexx wrote:Just so you know the BSB cant be the army general. So you'll need to shave some points off somewhere to field a cheap extra hero/wizard. Or you could get away with a decently equipped combat hero at this level alone.

RiTides wrote:Looks like in those second 2 lists you just posted (under the spoilers) just the hero has changed, so you might just want to list out the hero options!

I definitely like these lists a lot better... one big unit of warriors is absolutely terrifying at 1000 points! Honestly, I don't know what I would do against this army. Also, Boss_Salvage is a WoC genius, and adding those musicians makes a lot of sense. I'd like to see standards, too, but I know it's tight on points. There is also a slight points discrepancy since you're listing those units at 126, and Salvage had them as 124.

I'd be tempted to say run those marauders as one big unit, too, but I think at this point level it makes sense to split them and have more units.

I also like the idea of trying out a sorcerer, but you'll have both options. If using a sorcerer I'd use the rulebook lores (meaning don't give him a mark, and take a magical lore from the rulebook out of the ones you are allowed to take).

As far as the rulebook goes, see if you can find someone with an extra Island of Blood set... it comes with a smaller paperback rulebook that is much cheaper, and works just as well!!

RiTides wrote:Ooooooooooh, I like it a lot! Does the Gleaming Pendant (may re-roll first failed leadership test) apply to break tests? Because they'll already be re-rolling panic checks. If so, that's a steal...

I know (imho) EXACTLY what you should spend 10 points on. I think it comes down to one of the following options:

Option 1
-Charmed Shield
-IronCurse Icon

Assuming your sorcerer gets put into the warriors, they've now got a 5+ ward save vs. warmachines. Awesome!

Option 2
-Necrotic Phylactery

Makes your sorcerer immune to characteristic-based tests, and any spells from lore of death. Very handy item and a steal for 10 points. However, I think option 1 is probably your best bet.

The choice between sorcerer and exalted really comes down to magic vs. a better combat-ability character. However, as the entire rest of your army is combat-oriented and very good at it, that's not what you need. The sorcerer is definitely your best bet, as it gives you some ranged abilities with magic, and will also help you defend against magic.

Edit: I think the rest of your points costs are correct, but your sorcerer didn't pay for MoT. Which is just as well, since if he did, he would be forced to use the lore of tzeentch, instead of the lore of death. Lore of death is awesome. So I'd keep him as he is (with one of the above options I listed) but he doesn't have MoT. You could try to chop some things and get him MoT. He gets +1 to casting attempts with that mark... but I think he's good to go without it, and it will let you try out a rulebook lore.

boogeyman wrote:
I know a chaos sorcerer can have chaos armor, but can he have a shield?
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RiTides wrote:Chaos sorcerers are one of the only wizards in the game to be able to take magic shields. I'm positive of this, I believe it's in the FAQ.

Usually, if a model can take a regular shield, they can take a magical one.

RiTides wrote:Also, Boss_Salvage is a WoC genius ...

Boss Salvage wrote:Ironcurse Icon is under Enchanted Items in the BRB (p. 505 in my big one). On taking the charmed shield, chaos sorcerers, because they already wear magical armor, are allowed to take a single item of Magic Armor. The charmed shield is just such a piece of Magic Armor, and so should fly. There isn't really a rule that says they have to have access to a mundane shield to take a magic shield, just that they need access to mundane armor of any kind to take magical armor of any kind. Nobody should raise a fuss about the c.shield, it's a very very common practice amongst chaos sorcerers (and ogre characters as well, who often take e.shields yet have no mundane shield option).

- Salvage

boogeyman wrote:I would probably go more like this;

K M W M

or

M W M K

Depending on what is across from you and the terrain.

I would plan to get my knights into something juicy as fast as I can. Something juicy means in the flank and shooting, this way they can't shoot for that turn and your knights can't be targeted. Hopefully from the flank you can pursue or overrun into another flank. The other use for them is to smash into a flank or rear of an enemy unit when it is occupied with one of your other combat units. They can't disrupt the unit, but they will cause a lot of damage.

boogeyman wrote:To an extent. You don't want to just run your knights into a huge unit to try and dwindle it down for the rest of your army. If you charge into a big unit of my dwarfs, I will be steadfast, plus rank bonus, and a standard which means I will probably win combat.

I would pick a target I could win against and if there are several take the one that would cause your army the most harm.

The_Savior wrote:

boogeyman wrote:To an extent. You don't want to just run your knights into a huge unit to try and dwindle it down for the rest of your army. If you charge into a big unit of my dwarfs, I will be steadfast, plus rank bonus, and a standard which means I will probably win combat.

I would pick a target I could win against and if there are several take the one that would cause your army the most harm.

What don't want my Knights to charge?