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				<title>1500 space marine blood ravens</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ hi, i have made an advance on my list from earlier posts so here it is... <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MOTF</span> w/ convertion beamer - 125 <br /> <br /> TROOPS <br /> <br /> Tactical squad w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>Ml</span>, melta, rhino, melta bombs - 215 <br /> <br /> Tactical squad w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>Ml</span>, melta, rhino - 210 <br /> <br /> Tactical squad w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span>, Flamer, rhino - 205 <br /> <br /> Tactical squad w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>, melta - 175 <br /> <br /> ELITES <br /> <br /> Drednought - 105 <br /> <br /> Drednought - 105 <br /> <br /> FAST ATTACK <br /> <br /> land speeder w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> - 60 <br /> <br /> land speeder w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> - 60 <br /> <br /> HEAVY SUPPORT <br /> <br /> Predator w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> sponsons - 120 <br /> <br /> Predator w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> sponsons - 120 <br /> ____________ <br /> 1500 <br /> <br /> open to any suggestions and i need this list to be at it's best<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:57:58]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ madman12367]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ What's the point of taking a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MOTF</span> if you don't spam Dreadnoughts? You should take a Librarian instead (Null Zone, Infinite Gate and the HOLY HOOD are awesome).<br /> <br /> I don't like having 4 different squads. And try to give a Rhino to all of them. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(325);'>TBH</span>, 4 troop choices is too much.<br /> <br /> The Dreadnoughts are pretty much useless without a Drop Pod or special weapons. I would give them 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>.<br /> <br /> The Land Speeders are perfect, they just cost 10 points more (70).<br /> <br /> I don't like the Predators, they can only shoot once while moving.<br /> <br /> If you really want to stay with the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MOTF</span>, try to make a Dreadnought oriented list (6 Dreadnoughts).<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:23:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Rosarius]]></author>
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				<title>1500 space marine blood ravens</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Rosarius wrote:</cite>What's the point of taking a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MOTF</span> if you don't spam Dreadnoughts? You should take a Librarian instead (Null Zone, Infinite Gate and the HOLY HOOD are awesome).<br /> <br /> I don't like having 4 different squads. And try to give a Rhino to all of them. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(325);'>TBH</span>, 4 troop choices is too much.<br /> <br /> The Dreadnoughts are pretty much useless without a Drop Pod or special weapons. I would give them 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>.<br /> <br /> The Land Speeders are perfect, they just cost 10 points more (70).<br /> <br /> I don't like the Predators, they can only shoot once while moving.<br /> <br /> If you really want to stay with the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MOTF</span>, try to make a Dreadnought oriented list (6 Dreadnoughts).<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MOTF</span> is realy good, but he isn't usefull at this list<br /> he has 4 squads for a close range and a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MOTF</span> is for long range<br /> if he romove one squad with melta and missile and take a scout squad 5 strong, he will have bodyguards with a 2+ cover save<br /> with that points left he can take 2 drop pods for his dreads...<br /> <br /> if he read this and change his list, then it will ben a really hard list!<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:28:53]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ imperial commander]]></author>
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				<title>Re:1500 space marine blood ravens</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MOTF</span> is ok but blood ravens make more sence with a libby in charge...plus the aforementioned reasons (hood, powers, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span>).   Go with the libby, it's not like you're dying for elite slots.  He will need somewhere to ride, so you'll need to figure that one out.<br /> <br /> First tacs lose the meltabombs, and lose the 4th squad.  At 1500 tactical marines are all or nothing, either take all 6 or only as many as you'll need for objectives.  3 will be fine, so long as they all have rhinos.  Try and go melta/missile but if you need points flamers are fine.<br /> <br /> Land speeders cost 10 more then you've got there, so its 70 a pop.<br /> <br /> The dreads need either pods or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> autocannons, a walking dread with a single 24" <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>str</span> 8 shot wont do much.  Seeing as you're already going the shooty build take the autocannons.<br /> <br /> Would look something like this.<br /> <br /> Libraryman - 100<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, melta, rhino -- 210<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, melta, rhino -- 210<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> Squad w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, melta, rhino -- 210<br /> <br /> Dread w/2xTLAC -- 125<br /> Dread w/2xTLAC -- 125<br /> <br /> Land Speeder w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>  -- 70<br /> Land Speeder w/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>  -- 70<br /> <br /> Pred w/Las sponsons -- 120<br /> Pred w/Las sponsons -- 120<br /> <br /> ...is 1360 points, which leaves you 140 to buy somewhere for the libby to ride.  You might/probably will need to lose either a speeder/dread/pred, and possibly even 2 of them.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 1 Jan 2011 17:40:23]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ The Frying Dutchman]]></author>
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				<title>1500 space marine blood ravens</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Well, Dutchman's list looks better. <br /> You don't need 4 Tacticals, 3 are pretty standard, or 2 if you play it smart.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 1 Jan 2011 17:45:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ wuestenfux]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Just occurred to me now.<br /> <br /> Drop a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad and either a dread/pred.  Then get a land raider with 5 assault termies.  Null zone + termies = the bane of most deathstars.  ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:22:52]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ The Frying Dutchman]]></author>
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				<title>Re:1500 space marine blood ravens</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah your list looks better but I would drop a dred for a sternguard squad and use a rhino for them to to allow me still left with 105 points and I would say give my Libby terminator armour and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> for another 35 leaving me with 70 which is conveniently the amount for a third land speeder but if not o would just upgrade the sternguard with 2 more dudes and 4 combi weapons]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 2 Jan 2011 09:50:23]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ madman12367]]></author>
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				<title>1500 space marine blood ravens</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Your doing a blood ravens list and you dont have a librarian O_o, secondly why in the name of holly Terra are you using land speeders and personally i dont see the need for a transport with a 3+ save.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:57:35]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Gabrial Angelos]]></author>
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