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				<description><![CDATA[ hello again everyone, have a few lists here i would like to share with the group. The 1st list has worked just fine, except my flanking units(Knights, Chariot) have not done to well on their own, and that's a lot of points waiting to flank someone. So i will post my First list i have played which has done well, and my new list i have made and yet to play. <br /> <br /> <br /> List #1<br /> Sorc. Lord<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(347);'>lvl</span> 4<br /> Conjured Homunculus<br /> Spell Familiar<br /> Shield<br /> (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span> when i feel i need to tack it on. Normally with this guy i run heavens, and it has worked out insanely well)<br /> <br /> Chaos Marauders (30 )<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span> (Mark of Nurgle)<br /> Flails <br /> Banner<br /> Light armor <br /> <br /> Warriors of Chaos (15 -2 units)<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span><br /> Shields<br /> Banner<br /> <br /> Knights<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span><br /> <br /> Chariot<br /> <br /> ( i understand now i made alot of mistakes points wise and should of added alot of things to the units...i am no pro in Fantasy but i am slowly learning))<br /> <br /> <br /> List #2<br /> <br /> Sorc Lord<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(347);'>Lvl</span> 4<br /> Conjured Homunculus<br /> Spell Familiar<br /> Book of Secrets<br /> Shield<br /> <br /> Wulfrik<br /> <br /> Chaos Marauders (30 2 units)<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span><br /> Flails<br /> Full Command<br /> <br /> Warriors of Chaos (15 2 units)<br /> Shields<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span><br /> Standard<br /> <br /> This list comes to 1473 (1493 if i throw on <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span> onto the Sorc Lord.)<br /> <br /> My Sorc can use 5 spells due to the familiar. On top of the book of secrets i think i am set in stone magic wise. The Mara's and chaos hit like a hammer and anvil together. I do understand a All <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span> list can get old and boring But it is a solid built wall almost i feel. I think having Wulfrik come onto the table with a unit of 30 flailing Marauders could do some harm.Main reason for the list change, is i am going to be playing against Our token Skaven player. I have played and beat Daemons,Ocrs/goblins, and Lizardmen. The skaven have me worried due to thier large numebrs and that damned Hell Pit Abomination  i know he runs((so any hints on beating that thing are welcome <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>. Thanks for any comments on the list and as soon as i can figure out how to use this 300 dollar camera..i will post some pics of my models which i am quiet proud of.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:57:47]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Arrathon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The Book of Secrets will turn your Lord into a level 1 sorcerer (check the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>).  You should also list the lore selected for the Sorcerer - its a required step in list building.<br /> <br /> Units should have a musician.  For a handful of points, the unit will have an advantage in tied combats, +1 to rally and the ability to make a Swift Reform.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Sorc Lord<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(347);'>Lvl</span> 4<br /> Conjured Homunculus<br /> Spell Familiar<br /> Book of Secrets<br /> Shield <br /> <br /> Ok so we take out the Book, In it's place for 25 points i could either place a Musician in the warriors units, Or a dispell scroll. As far as i must declare in the list which lore i was using, i am still fairly new and learning, so i will fix that..simply make 2 separate lists One for Lore of Nurgle and one for heavens.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:19:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Arrathon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Lore of nurgle with require your Sorcerer Lord to have Mark of Nurgle, thus increesing his point cost so keep that in mind with that version of the list.<br /> *Edit* I see you already noted that...I guess this is what I deserve for not keeping attention to details. <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0"><br /> Oh well...a reminder is always useful eh? <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yes i know that. the second list is 1473 (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span> is 20 points on the Sorc lord )  I have points to spare for 2 separate lists.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:32:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Arrathon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Also have you considered the Infernal Puppet? that thing is pretty evil both as a anti-wizard weapon and to keep your own Sorcerer alive.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Iratus Custodis]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I have read what it does and yes, it is a amazing little toy. I also enjoy having 5 spells to cast (most of my friends don't expect it first time we play <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>)  And most of our Magic phases are like a chess match with casting and dispelling. My favorite thing so far, is 2 games ago i had 3 comets just cooking away on the table. and the next round All three went off it was beautiful <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Heh! <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"><br /> Can't really add much else about the army list(not a Warrior of Chaos player myself), though possibly some playing around with points and magic banners could prove intresting.<br /> I wish you more good luck when calling down those space rocks! <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:46:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Iratus Custodis]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ty much Sir, and if i may add a off comment.. Love that Stormraven your building in your photos l <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"> <br />  <br /> Now i ask the rest of the community, Does the second list seem as if it could handle the hordes of the skaven? What is a good tactic or item or spells and such to battle the HPA (hell pit abomination) ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:07:37]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Arrathon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Then I have to add a off-topic thank you, may the mods smite me down gently for this heresy! <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> I got skavens myself so I might aswell add my opinion on that question also..<br /> It should be able to handle the normal rats, though weapon teams and hellpits could become an issues...<br /> Some type of flaming attacks and a cheap unit or two of warhounds could help against those, if the become a constant problem for you though.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:17:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Arrathon wrote:</cite><br /> List #1<br /> Sorc. Lord<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(347);'>lvl</span> 4<br /> Conjured Homunculus<br /> Spell Familiar<br /> Shield<br /> (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span> when i feel i need to tack it on. Normally with this guy i run heavens, and it has worked out insanely well)<br /> <br /> Chaos Marauders (30 )<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span> (Mark of Nurgle)<br /> Flails <br /> Banner<br /> Light armor <br /> <br /> Warriors of Chaos (15 -2 units)<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span><br /> Shields<br /> Banner<br /> <br /> Knights<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span><br /> <br /> Chariot<br /> <br /> ( i understand now i made alot of mistakes points wise and should of added alot of things to the units...i am no pro in Fantasy but i am slowly learning))</div></blockquote><br /> I prefer this list for the variety of it, though I agree that it could use musicians everywhere, and I think for theme I myself would go all nurgle all the time.  On your level 4, that is a charmed shield, isn't it?  And on your marauders, the light armor is really not doing much for you besides costing 30 points, I'd look there for easy points.<br /> <br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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Here's where I take the list:<br /> <br /> L: Sorcerer Lord - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span>, charmed shield, spell familiar, ironcurse icon, level 4 = 315<br /> <br /> C: 15 Warriors - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span>, gleaming pennant, full command, shields = 305<br /> C: 15 Warriors - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span>, banner of eternal flame, standard, musician, shields = 298<br /> C: 30 Marauders - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span>, standard, musician, flails = 192<br /> <br /> S: 5 Knights - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span>, musician = 240<br /> S: Chariot - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span> = 150<br /> --------<br /> 1500<br /> <br /> Nurgle everywhere, musicians everywhere.  Full command and a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>LD</span> reroll for the sorcerer's unit, flaming for the other warriors to handle regen-ing things and building assaults.  At the cost of the sorcerer's homunculus (not a fan myself, nor the ensuing stupidity test without a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span> to support, though the pennant would work) and the marauders' 6+ armor.  I agree with you, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span> on the chariot seems less than awesome but I'm a big fan of theme so sue me.
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