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High Elf Mage
-Level 2
-Guardian Phoenix
-Dispel Scroll 185

Core

Lothern Seaguard
-20x Seaguard
-Full command
-Banner of Eternal Flame
-Shields 295

Special

Dragon Princes
-10x Dragon Princes
-Full command
-Amulet of light
-Banner of Ellyrion 380
Lion Chariot (Drakeling chariot) 140

I'm not much good at fantasy army lists yet so I was hoping for some C+C from you guys. I was thinking for the mage to go in the seaguard and for them so set up 7x3 in the centre with the dragon princes taking one flank and the chariot the other.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/337900/2297138.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/337900/2297138.page GMT
Here're my comments and critiques...

1. On your Mage, I would consider giving him the Silver Wand, instead of the Dispel Scroll. Depending on the Lore you choose, having an additional spell could work better for you, plus it'll save you some points. (Also, you're short changing yourself 5 points in your original list. The Mage you made comes out to 180, not 185).

2. It seems like your list is more focused on marching and charging, what with the Chariot and DP's in the list. If that's the case, you want to consider using Spearmen instead of Sea Guard. They're 4 points cheaper, and if take the points you'd save from the Mage, you can easily have another 2 ranks of 5 or 1 rank of 10 more Spearmen. Their stat lines and special rules are identical, and the only thing you'd be missing is a Bow for each model, which I honestly don't think you'll find yourself using.

3. IIRC, Difficult terrain doesn't exist in 8th Edition now, so the Banner of Ellyrion is more or less useless. You'd be better off taking a Banner of Swiftness for extra movement. Even at a base of M8, an extra inch could prove vital.

4. Try investing all the extra points into more DP's if you can, or other Infantry Special units. White Lions and Sword Masters are 2 of the best that come to mind. In larger games, I would suggest you take Phoenix Guards as well.

Good luck!

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Interesting idea with a "drakeling chariot", I'm not personally a fan of made up units that argueable don't fit fluff, but don't let that stop you if you got a nice design for it!

The lack of a battlestandard bearer could be an issue since your dragonprinces and chariot will have trouble winning against ranked up infantry, once they lost their charge bonus to strength. I would advice you to drop the amount of points spent on core units down to the bare minimum(250 points) and use to afford a second command group and split up the Dragon princes into two units. That way you won't lose any attacks from second rankers.

Also I'd suggest Light, Shadow or Life for your mage.
Light got the useful ability to boost your movement, attack and weaponskill amongst other things, also it got spells that can stop things from shooting your precious units.
Shadow is useful for weakening your enemies and strengthen your own units, also got some rather deadly spells such as Pit of Shades.
Life can increese the survivability of your own unit and revive the fallen aswell as having one of the most deadly spells in the game.

With only 2 or possibly 3 spells I would not count on getting the "killer" spells of each lore, so overall Light or Shadow is the better options, since more or less are their spells will aid this list.

I don't run this type of armies with my High Elves, though I'm confident that atleast SOMETHING I've written will be helpful. Good seeing a fellow Asur seeking to improve! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/337900/2297316.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/337900/2297316.page GMT
I actually kind of like LSG in Caledor lists, though in lower point games, I would probably opt for Spears to begin with to bulk up your numbers. As Benshin commented, though, if you're intending to be more aggressive with your list, spears are definitely more worthwhile.

With only 3 units on the board, your opponents will have a real easy time allocating targets. While I do enjoy the large block of DPs (I run a similar unit myself), I would highly recommend keeping your DPs in small, bare-bones units to conserve points and give you more flexibility. As such, personally, I'd run 2 units of 5-6 with no command in this list. Dragon Princes cannot be bogged down in prolonged combat, and as it currently stands, these guys are quite vulnerable to it right now. Use the extra mobility to divert your opponent's attacks and try to combi-charge their flanks with the DPs and Lion Chariot. Getting a Great Eagle with the saved points (if you go 2x 5 DPs) will also help out a lot.



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Heroes

High Elf Mage
-Level 2
-Guardian Phoenix
-Silver wand 170

Core

Lothern Seaguard
-17x Seaguard
-Full command
-Shields 285
Archers
-10x Archers 115

Special

Dragon Princes
-10x Dragon Princes
-Full command
-Amulet of light
-Gleaming pennant 370

Rare

Repeater bolt thrower 100

It gives me more numbers and shooting power leaving my princes to run up the flank.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/337900/2297399.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/337900/2297399.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/337900/2297468.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/337900/2297468.page GMT I dont think dragon princes are that good, but for the record all heavy knights units have droped in 8th ed IMO.
Phenoix guards are awesome.
Deathstar units are generally not that good in low points games. Things like cannons and stonethrowers can ruin your day easy, and mass infantery will also make it unpleasant.
Remember that you only get to make a single supporting attack, so dragon princes only make a single attack from the second rank.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/337900/2309989.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/337900/2309989.page GMT
Lvl 2 Mage (Jewel of the Dusk)

10x Lothern Seaguard 130 (No command, although you may want to add in a banner later.
10x Lothern Seaguard 130

5x Dragon Princes (Musician)
5x Dragon Princes (No Musician)

Lion Chariot

Bolt Thrower

This comes to 1000 pts and gives you many units to maneuver with. Whilst all your units are small and will not win combats by themselves, you can set up good double charges with the princes and seaguard, or the chariot, while weakening the enemy with your mage and boltthrower. The mage sits in a Seaguard unit for protection and gets an extra dice. Take care not to get stand/shoot off the table by gunners and abuse your mobility and small unit size to deny charges. DO NOT just go head on, only the HE elite infantry (Sword-masters/Phoenix Guard) can take units in head on combat. Instead, play a denial game by running past his ponderous blocks and staying out of front arcs.

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