You've got a lot of unnecessary upgrades. You don't need Heavy Armor -and- a Cybork Body. Really, if your Mek is in a small enough group that it's frequently allocating wounds to itself, that's bad. In general, I run my Big Mek with a KFF and nothing else, a bosspole if he's in a group that doesn't come standard with one (Boyz, whatever).

The Shokk Attack Gun is a horrible gun. With a BS of 2 it frequently scatters too far, with a random STR it doesn't consistently do damage, and you run a 1/36 chance of blowing yourself and everything around you up.

Repeat after me: "Boyz come in three flavors; 12 Sluggas in a Trukk, 30 Shootas on foot, 20 Shootas in a Battlewagon. Always take a Nob w/PK and Bosspole, nothing else." Useless gun upgrades on Orks that can't hit, useless armor on a model that should never take saves, not enough bros.

Do not upgrade Lootas to Meks. Meks have guns that will kill themselves, and really, Deffgunz are as good as it gets. Meks sort of require mobility to be of any kind of use, and Lootas don't move.

You might consider splitting your Lootas up so that they can (if they wanted to) fire on multiple targets. Granted, you want to focus your fire on one target at a time, but if you take out your target, you're going to want fire at something else.

Similarly, do not upgrade Burnas to Meks. Burnas are 15 point, 3 swing WS 4 S 4 power weapons; they're absolutely insane for their point cost (if a little fragile for offense) and Meks don't really do much other than miss and kill themselves (keep in mind they hit themselves only half as often as they hit their target!). Additionally, Burnas really need some kind of protection to make it across the field; a Battlewagon is a nice option (especially since with infinite fire points you can fire one template out and hit that many targets * Burnas).

Killa Kans seem pretty solid, but if you follow my advice so far, you're short some KMBs. Killa Kans are a fantastic KMB delivery system with a BS 3, and immunity to Gets Hot!. I'd consider upgrading all of them to KMBs, although most people fight viciously against the KMB in favor of the Rokkit Launcha, ignoring all my strong reasons for the KMB.

Deff Dreads are pretty bad IMO. I could suggest (for about the same point value) a Battlewagon with a single Big Shoota, RPJ, and Deff Rolla. You can cram your Burnas into it.

augustus5 wrote:I've played a similar shooty ork list and it can be a fun list to play.

I think you should drop the heavy armor on your nobs as they can't be singled out in the squad so it won't serve a real purpose.

Split your lootas into 3 squads of 5, and leave the meks at home. They don't do anything for the squad.

I wouldn't take burnas without a trukk or wagon for them to move around in, also don't take mek upgrades for them either.

Kanz are great. I wouldn't mix the weapons within the squads as they only shoot at a single target. You have big shoots which are anti-infantry mixed with KMB which are anti-tank or TEQ. Try 3 KMB or rokkit for anti-tank, or 3 grotzookas for anti-infantry.

Your deff dread is here as a counter assault unit. Give it an extra CC weapon and a skorcha.

I would leave a lot of the gear off of your Big Meks also. The KFF mek should be bare or maybe given a burna. The reason I choose a burna over a powerclaw is because of the Mek's decent Initiative value. He can use a burna as a power weapon in CC if need be. They also probably don't need the armor or cybork bodies, or the oilers.

If you drop some of those unneeded pieces of gear you should have the points to upgrade the dread and kanz.

Bwolf999 wrote:I would suggest splitting the 15 lootas into 2 squads of 7 or one of 7 and one of 8. Its better for shot output (more average and damaging shooting.

And I just want to say that a squad of 6 burnas is soft. Very, very soft. Just sayin without a transport (looted wagon) they will be hardpressed to survive and kill things.

Hope this helped!

2 squads of 8? Would that suffice?

So how should these Kans function? They should be providing some sort of cover I'm assuming while they're shooting up the battlefield. Originally, the idea was to keep them in a squad near the Burnas for protection from ground units. How would I utilize them, if you would please impart?

Frosty Hardtop wrote:Admittedly, he's not wrong, but I included the Battlewagon simply as the best means of delivering Burnas; there's basically no other way. Additionally, with that configuration, yes, you're moving slowly and creating a pretty big target for yourself

If you do take out the Burnas and the Battlewagon it opens up something like 340 points for you. You can certainly use some or all of these points to round out those Lootas, but there are some other, interesting options.

Deffkoptas with TL Rokkits and a Buzzsaw are totally awesome units (I field them in solitary units; they'll never benefit from Mob Rule, and their 7 Leadership is terrible, the first time they lose a fight, they'll run off the field). You can put them at the edge of your deployment zone, then Scout them 24", then move them 12", fire Rokkits, and assault solitary armor for 3 automatic S7 hits on rear armor (which I only do if I'm going first) or you can set them in reserve and Outflank, hoping to basically do the same thing later in the game.

Also, I'm a little curious on your math. 7 Kommandos, 2 Burnas, and Snikrot should be 200 even, how are you getting 205?

As we've established, Lootas should be in groups of 5 or 15. Instead of two groups of 5, why not up it to one group of 15? That fills the 75 points pretty effectively, I'd think.

On a more serious note, if this game is new to you, and you don't really have much in the way of models (if anything at all) why are you aiming your sights so high at 1500? My first army was the one out of the AoBR book, and that one is 350 points or so. Something that I prattle on about pretty frequently is that this game is not about winning or losing, it's about having fun, and it's about discovery. Right now a Kan Wall seems like a pretty cool idea, but there are a LOT of different ways to play Orks that you probably haven't even begun to imagine. Start small and build your way up; the way I started, I bought literally anything that I thought was interesting at the time, things that I could get for cheap from friends or online, or whatever, and I put it on the table. Two years went by before I started to really understand my playstyle and define my army to what I have now. It seems like new players put far too much planning into it and forget to simply enjoy the game. Either way, plan small. By the time you actually have 1500 points you might find that your dream list has changed a hundred times.

skycapt44 wrote:Something to consider:
Drop one of the KFF Meks. One should cover you just fine.
Drop a buzzcopta. That's 155points!
Get another unit of kans with rokkits.
One Mek can cover your two boys units with ease and the more kans you have the more protection they will give your boys. Never mix weapons for kans units have all one thing. You still have 20 or so points to dish out now.