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				<description><![CDATA[ So I did a search and a topic like this never came up. I know that it gets a lot of off topic comments in various threads but it doesn't have an actual thread yet. <br /> <br /> I want to talk about actual facts of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(147);'>WHFB</span>'s popularity. A lot of opinions stat that it has lost popularity due to the new rules but I see actual facts disagreeing but as with all facts they can be interpreted quite differently. So I thought I reach out to dakka and see if any posters can come up with more solid facts. I don't care which way the lean but I just would like real world facts that can be verified. <br /> <br /> Example, I own a game store and my sales records indicate a decrease, yet I never sold much fantasy any ways. I can back it up with a record of sales from previous months etc. I know not to actually expect something like that but hey its an example. <br /> <br /> Now my fact is this on rankings <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> for America the number of tournaments for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(147);'>WHFB</span> is slightly larger for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> in all respects, meaning more registered players more registered tournaments that are reported, etc. So to me this is one fact that states the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(147);'>WHFB</span> has not decreased in popularity at all. It actually has at least maintained its popularity but from a website like rankings <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> this could only just reflect that the few players for fantasy really like tournaments compared to the hundreds of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> players. <br /> <br /> So what do you guys think? <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It depends on how you define 'popular'.  If you're going by registered tournament events, then your fact supports the conclusion that Fantasy is more popular.<br /> <br /> If you're going to go by sales volume, dollar sales, or player base expansion in the non-registered-tournament circuit, then your fact does not support this, and you need more facts before you can say anything one way or the other.<br /> <br /> At my store, the people who have always played Fantasy still do, fewer casual players have shown up than usual, and almost no new players have picked it up, that I've noticed.  Make of that what you will.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:19:37]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ sourclams]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ A local tournement that is going on, last year only had 40 people register, this year 64 competitors are registered. This is in middle of no where Wisconsin, however, and that's the best I got for you. <br /> <br /> However I've seen more fantasy than <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> played in the local store in past two months however.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:24:56]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Acardia]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Honestly?  Just look at the difference between Army Book and Codex releases.  I'd be lying if I said I was sure, but I think we've had more Space Marine Codexes of various flavours re-done this year than we've had Fantasy stuff released the last two.  I may well be wong though.<br /> <br /> Games Workshop pumps out what sells, and we've had so many more releases for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> than Fantasy...which sucks, because I'm actually really fond of the new rules and have few people to go against.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:30:37]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Jon Garrett]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ How many play both?  I used to do both when I was younger and playing the games, the way there seem to be two camps of people is only something I've seen since coming online.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:37:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Howard A Treesong]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't know about the Rankings <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> data - but for Adepticon, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40K</span> out sells WFB by 3 (or even 4) to 1.  The postings from the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(755);'>NOVA</span> tournament here on Dakka indicate they are selling out of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40K</span> tickets as fast as Adepticon.  <br /> <br /> One stores records are hard to judge a trend by.  A lot of your regulars will play what you push.  If you tried, I bet you could get WFB rocking and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40K</span> on the side lines by the end of the summer.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:00:34]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ RanTheCid]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Howard A Treesong wrote:</cite>How many play both?  I used to do both when I was younger and playing the games, the way there seem to be two camps of people is only something I've seen since coming online.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> A few, I know the main two out of the three guys who run the tourney are fantasy only players, and even run a fantasty focused pod cast.  <a href="http://pointhammered.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://pointhammered.com/</a><br /> I can actually say that my only 3 of my regular <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> opponents have a fantasy army that's ready to go, Two of them have each bought and swapped an IoB box, so I know there are some more coming, but that's a lot of rats and elves. <br /> <br /> I think that another good fantasy release with a few new books would help at this time. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:03:58]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Acardia]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I too used to play both, sixth ed. Fantasy rules were amazingly good fun to play, it felt really tactical and encouraged thoughtful play. The comparative 3 ed <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> was a mess of boring dice-offs. With 5th <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> has really come into its own and now feels alot more fun and tactical. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(147);'>WHFB</span> has descended into the boring dice chucking of 3 edition <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>. I think Games workshop idiotically created a perfect game with 6th ed but saw from 4th ed <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> how profitable re-releasing minorly tweaked rules could be. 8th has some nice elements: The magic system looks amazingly good fun! but all the changes to the close combat, eradicating proper guess range from games workshop, and 'Rolling a charge' rather than declaring it are pure pish...]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:24:42]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Perkustin]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I play both but have only recently come back to Fantasy since recent edition. And in terms of games played, the balance is skewed way more in favour of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40K</span>.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:26:55]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ filbert]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So many things to factor in.  Sales is not a good indication the way the economy is.  And you`d have to factor in all the second hand sales and e-bay sales etc.  Tournaments might be a factor but then you have to factor demographics and the fact that some groups are just more organised than others.<br /> <br /> I play both systems.  In my neck of the woods <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40K</span> takes it and always has.  I find with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40K</span> the fluff is amazing and they re-invent some armies (how many marine variants to we have?) and it is faster paced I find.<br /> <br /> But as for fantasy I played 4 months straight when the new rules came out.   As for releases we`ve seen the new rules,  high elf wave of plastics, IOB, upcoming O&Gs, rat stuff, Empire stuff.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:46:18]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Crantor]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Gamestore facts can vary quite a bit but will actually provide some insite as to what the players are doing on a local scale.  Around my location there is a store that plays fantasy only.  Then two stores within 20 - 30 minutes that have a variety of both and other games.  The local store is mainly a place for card gamers but the small selection of miniature gamers are all fantasy.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:31:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Pael]]></author>
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				<title>Re:The Popularity of Fantasy</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40K</span> always seems more popular than Fantasy where i've ever played. Whenever i go to my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(38);'>FLGS</span> i always have to take an army from both game systems, even though i intend to play fantasy, because i'm unlikely to get a game in if i don't. Most new players coming into the store normally pick to play <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40K</span> (and then pick the Space Marines, but that's another matter). I think it's a shame, i like the new fanstasy rules, there's a few issues, but there always are. <br /> <br /> Fantsay came before <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>, and yet <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> concentrate primarily on <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>, i know it's profitable and all, but it's still a shame, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(147);'>WHFB</span> kicked them off after all. <br /> <br /> Still, it's unlikely to ever die out and there are still going to be a lot of people who play fantasy, a lot of gamers play both, so it's ok in that regard. I find it harder to get a fantasy game than a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40K</span> though, and i'd really like to play some more fantasy.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:42:54]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Eldar Own]]></author>
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