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Being AV12 the storm raven can't start on the board if your going second so if it had outflank it would not suck going second because you could reserve and outflank and could get side shots with your blood strikes and get your scoring unit and dread into the opponents deployment near the objective.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2368756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2368756.page GMT Unsucking the Suck Raven.
storm raven is fine

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2368785.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2368785.page GMT Re:Unsucking the Suck Raven. GK stormraven is a FA option.

No matter what you have heard, the WD article is NOT giving the Stormraven to everyone. people who have read the article have confirmed that it isn't opened to everyone. it just is giving a rundown of the vehicle for GKs and BAs.

the rumored Flyer release might give all marines the Raven, but don't get your hopes up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2368792.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2368792.page GMT Unsucking the Suck Raven. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2368840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2368840.page GMT Re:Unsucking the Suck Raven. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369320.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369320.page GMT Unsucking the Suck Raven.
AV 12 dies quickly so if you're not trying to at least use LoS blockage or reserve than you're going to die...

Try using 3 of them at once if you can, that way at least a couple make it to the enemy. Outflank seems a bit too strong afterall, since you CAN assault after Outflanking.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369629.page GMT Unsucking the Suck Raven.
Kirika wrote:I'm hoping the move the Storm Raven to Fast Attack and give it outflank for the Grey Knights Codex or when they give the Storm Raven to everyone in White Dwarf. They can't really change the points at this point with it already in the Blood Angels codex so making it fast attack and giving it outflank would make it actually good well except that the model still sucks but thats what conversions are for.

Being AV12 the storm raven can't start on the board if your going second so if it had outflank it would not suck going second because you could reserve and outflank and could get side shots with your blood strikes and get your scoring unit and dread into the opponents deployment near the objective.


AV 12 can't survive on the board? Someone quick, warn the mech guard players!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369685.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369685.page GMT Unsucking the Suck Raven.
daedalus wrote:
Kirika wrote:I'm hoping the move the Storm Raven to Fast Attack and give it outflank for the Grey Knights Codex or when they give the Storm Raven to everyone in White Dwarf. They can't really change the points at this point with it already in the Blood Angels codex so making it fast attack and giving it outflank would make it actually good well except that the model still sucks but thats what conversions are for.

Being AV12 the storm raven can't start on the board if your going second so if it had outflank it would not suck going second because you could reserve and outflank and could get side shots with your blood strikes and get your scoring unit and dread into the opponents deployment near the objective.


AV 12 can't survive on the board? Someone quick, warn the mech guard players!


It doesn't survive when the max is 3 and it costs over 200pts. It does survive when you have to deal with 10 or 12 vehicles...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369701.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369701.page GMT Unsucking the Suck Raven. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369721.page GMT Unsucking the Suck Raven. OP is a little late on proposed rules for a model that has had rules for over 6 months...

everyone, stop whining about the Storm Raven! good God, I saw it at 'Ard Boyz last year and it was very cool! of course his model was hand built, I'm talking about what it did for him.

funny thing is, in 6 months, the OP will be posting his new Blood Angels or Grey Knights army and a Storm Raven will be in there, mark my words.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369732.page GMT Unsucking the Suck Raven. lol. The storm raven is the most overpowered vehicle in the game, next to possibly the monolith.

Yes, a vehicle which ignores terrain, has SMF, an assault ramp, can volley-fire HK missiles and take twin-linked meltaguns, has rear AV12 so it's proofed against assault, doesn't care about melta attacks, and can launch a 10-man squad AND A DREADNOUGHT straight into close combat from feet away needs some help so that it doesn't suck...

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yes it can deliver massive hurt and, along with the passangers, destroy a massive amount of the enemy.


the BA/GK player is paying almost as much as a LR for some additional weapons and a drop in AV by 2 on all sides.

ooooo, it's immune to Melta. It's AV12, you don't need Melta to kill it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369922.page GMT Unsucking the Suck Raven.
grayspark wrote:Yeah, and then your "overpowered" Storm Raven gets shot down by an Auto-Cannon. Cheers.

Firstly, that's highly unlikely.

Secondly, yes, it's not literally invincible. Shall I call the waaaahmbulance for you?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369931.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2369931.page GMT Unsucking the Suck Raven.
You see? This is what happens when you can't keep Codex Creep under control! People see vehicles that are totally broken and think "Man, this isn't as awesomely OP as other things in my codex. It must, therefor, suck."

There's plenty of armies out there that don't have a single vehicle with more than AV12. AV12 isn't begging for destruction, it's fine.

Ailaros wrote:
grayspark wrote:Yeah, and then your "overpowered" Storm Raven gets shot down by an Auto-Cannon. Cheers.

Firstly, that's highly unlikely.

Secondly, yes, it's not literally invincible. Shall I call the waaaahmbulance for you?






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Ailaros wrote:
grayspark wrote:Yeah, and then your "overpowered" Storm Raven gets shot down by an Auto-Cannon. Cheers.

Firstly, that's highly unlikely.

Secondly, yes, it's not literally invincible. Shall I call the waaaahmbulance for you?



Ahaha, Highly Unlikely? it happens all the time for me and my friends. maybe you need to get your dice checked. Mathhammer it all you want, but it's the roller who controls what happens.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2370027.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2370027.page GMT Re:Unsucking the Suck Raven. SCARY. It's like bringing a single Vendetta, and being surprised when it gets the hell targetted out of it first turn.


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Food for thought, S7 has same chances of bringing down AV12 as S9 does AV14.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2370205.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2370205.page GMT Unsucking the Suck Raven.
I think the amount of whining and complaining in BOTH directions (folks who think it's under or over powered) is actually a good indication that it's reasonably-priced. We'll have a better idea, however, once the necessity of scratchbuilding is no longer a barrier to widespread use. Heck, the first year I used Defilers (it was ~8-10month delay between 3.5 codex release and the model coming out) lots of people thought they were overpowered too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2370273.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2370273.page GMT Unsucking the Suck Raven.
Mannahnin wrote:Except that S7 usually shoots twice per turn. Or more (see Rifleman dreads).

True, but I bring twice as many lascannons as autocannons.

I think the amount of whining and complaining in BOTH directions (folks who think it's under or over powered) is actually a good indication that it's reasonably-priced. We'll have a better idea, however, once the necessity of scratchbuilding is no longer a barrier to widespread use. Heck, the first year I used Defilers (it was ~8-10month delay between 3.5 codex release and the model coming out) lots of people thought they were overpowered too.

I could agree to this, hands-down. Everything is overpowered the first time you see it, and underpowered if you're running it. Eventually you learn to either deal with it better or use it more efficiently, and then it's just another tool.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2370305.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2370305.page GMT Unsucking the Suck Raven.
Apart from that, they arent too shabby!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2390693.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2390693.page GMT Unsucking the Suck Raven.
The raven is just fine]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2390748.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2390748.page GMT Unsucking the Suck Raven.
so something that can boost 24 inches AND shoot a TL multi-melta all while transporting 5 Assault termies, a chaplin and librarian (both in power armour) AND a furioso dreadnaught?

yea that totally sucks..... I'll take two please]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2390890.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/342153/2390890.page GMT