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I am thinking no, but I just wanted to double check.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397118.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397118.page GMT Re:Fearless wyches and no retreat fnp save for having three tokens.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397159.page GMT Fearless wyches and no retreat FAQ'd to say they got the save, but as written I'd say they don't.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397204.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397204.page GMT Fearless wyches and no retreat RAW they are definitely stuck with their 6+ armor and 4+ FNP.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397437.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397437.page GMT Fearless wyches and no retreat FNP save anyway so it's pointless. But I don't have the DE codex so I can't be sure...it depends on the semantics. If it says that you get the save for wounds suffered in close combat, I'd say yes because you were in close combat, and you suffered a wound! Wound in close combat = save. However, if it says that you only take the save against wounds caused by close combat attacks, they no, you don't get the save. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397497.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397497.page GMT Fearless wyches and no retreat
This is interesting. Someone could actually argue that Fearless wounds are caused by losing combat which is caused by close combat attacks. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397595.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397595.page GMT Fearless wyches and no retreat and then the FNP.

RAW they won't get it. Until someone at GW FAQs it I'd think.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397606.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397606.page GMT Fearless wyches and no retreat FNP is the way the cookie crumbles.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397973.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2397973.page GMT Re:Fearless wyches and no retreat Close combat attacks is a very specific thing. They are the attacks that a model has and then gets to resolve using the rules for close combat.

Wound inflicted by no retreat are NOT close combat attacks. They are wounds caused in close combat, but not by close combat attacks.

The dodge save cannot be used against these wounds.


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SlaveToDorkness wrote:It's not exactly pointless, Chris. Since they'd get the 4++ and then the FNP.

RAW they won't get it. Until someone at GW FAQs it I'd think.


Ai, this is the problem with playing IG. You forget how rules like FNP work, because you never have to use them yourself! BUt yeah, my mistake....I forgot FNP is the one save that stacks. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2398467.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2398467.page GMT Re:Fearless wyches and no retreat
yakface wrote:
Close combat attacks is a very specific thing. They are the attacks that a model has and then gets to resolve using the rules for close combat.

Wound inflicted by no retreat are NOT close combat attacks. They are wounds caused in close combat, but not by close combat attacks.

The dodge save cannot be used against these wounds.




I agree with this RAW interpretation, but I have to say that it wouldn't surprise me if GW FAQ'd the issue to allow the Dodge save. I mean, they declared in their FAQ that units wiped out by vehicle explosions caused by a DE unit counts for pain tokens, so who knows how far out they're willing to go. I know the situation isn't directly analogous; my only point is that GW has recently shown a propensity to go beyond the exact RAW in answering FAQs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2398870.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2398870.page GMT Fearless wyches and no retreat
ChrisWWII wrote:
SlaveToDorkness wrote:It's not exactly pointless, Chris. Since they'd get the 4++ and then the FNP.

RAW they won't get it. Until someone at GW FAQs it I'd think.


Ai, this is the problem with playing IG. You forget how rules like FNP work, because you never have to use them yourself! BUt yeah, my mistake....I forgot FNP is the one save that stacks.


Unless you have many opponents that do use it and you want to make sure they're doing it right..................]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2400071.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2400071.page GMT Fearless wyches and no retreat http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2400187.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2400187.page GMT Fearless wyches and no retreat
ChrisWWII wrote:
SlaveToDorkness wrote:It's not exactly pointless, Chris. Since they'd get the 4++ and then the FNP.


BUt yeah, my mistake....I forgot FNP is the one save that stacks.


Ofc, if the wyches claim their dodge against No Retreat wounds by stating they were caused by the CC... What if it was an enemy with attacks that deny FNP? I'd surely want to deny the FNP if the wyches claim dodges.

edit: and that would require No Retreat to actually make some provisions for seeing which winning enemy is counted to have done the wounds, which it doesn't. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2400787.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/343833/2400787.page GMT