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Libby - termie armor - null zone, might of the ancients
5 TH and SS termies
Land raider - extra armor

10 man tac squad - meltagun, power weapon, missile launcher, razorback, tw-lc
5 stay back and shoot with missile launcher, 5 in razorback for mobility
10 man tac squad - meltagun, power weapon, missile launcher, razorback, tw-lc
5 stay back and shoot with missile launcher, 5 in razorback for mobility
10 man tac squad - meltagun, power fist, missile launcher, razorback, tw-lc
5 stay back and shoot with missile launcher, 5 in razorback for mobility

Land speeder - multimelta

Vindicator
Vindicator
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dont know the size of your army, maybe about 1750 pts i think.

HQ - good choise, give him SS, powers are fine, sometimes null zone and avenger are also good. If you want named HQs, vulkan or Shrike are fine, Vulkan is great.
ELITE - your star unit, take LRC with MM/EA, you can still fire from all weapons.
TROOPS - leave PWs, take only 1 PW in 3rd squad and also give the 3rd squad MM and meltagun, use this squad for conquest some objectiv on enemy side, they go as first unit, for razorback good option is Lasplaz version. Sniper scouts are also fine, if you want camp on oblectiv near your deploy zone, or in it. They are cheap and for this role quite good.
FAST - 1 speeder isnt good, especialy if it is suicide unit, take 2 or take typhoon instead.
HEAVY - 3x vindi are good.

Against tides armies like orks or nids you must change some weapons, maybe units for more template/blast weapons. Typhoons, thunderfire cannons, sterns, rifle dreads, ironclads with heavyflamers are good.

Maybe this helps a little.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/344064/2400985.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/344064/2400985.page GMT
You are totally right about adding the SS to the libby. That was my original intention, but I simply forgot. Now I need to find those points in the list.

I think you are right about the land raider as well. No sense in worrying about long range fire power when the job of the vehicle is to get my termies into assault.

I don't understand why I would want to drop the power weapons. In my mind, they are needed to help deal with marine armor, feel no pain, and to force opponents to deal with multiple threats. Would you please elaborate on your thinking?

The land speeder is meant to be a suicide unit. Can you elaborate on your thinking? Is there a better alternative? My thinking was the land speeder can deep strike, it can come in from a edge and move a great distance, and it is fairly cheep.

This whole Ultramarine / vanilla marine consideration is based on taking three vindies. I just want to feel the power.

Thanks for your feedback.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/344064/2401205.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/344064/2401205.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/344064/2401238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/344064/2401238.page GMT Tac squads aren't really meant to get into CC, unless it's against an army that isn't so hot in CC like Tau.

Dropping the PWs opens up getting combi-meltas for your Sergeants, further increasing the role that your Tac squads have of being tank hunters.

Just an option to consider.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/344064/2401267.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/344064/2401267.page GMT
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