<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/27.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate Considering their slam/knockdown ability, they seem to be a close fit with pKreoss lists fielding a redeemer.

What does the community think? Why do so few posted Menoth lists include non-solo Merc units?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2416725.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2416725.page GMT Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2416806.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2416806.page GMT Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate PoM buffs and bonuses are Faction only- so none of the merc units provide a notable benefit vs PoM units that can get some support. Just seems to be less synergy with PoM and mercs compared to say, Cygnar and Mercs.

Im not too familiar with the PoM stuff though- so my guess might be wrong. Malfred should wander through eventually and answer with a bit more authority since he likes them flamin zealots ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2416815.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2416815.page GMT Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate
Sp4m wrote:I was leafing through the Mercs book last night, and I read up on these guys. Looks like the coolest looking Rhulic unit will contract with the Law Giver!
Considering their slam/knockdown ability, they seem to be a close fit with pKreoss lists fielding a redeemer.

What does the community think? Why do so few posted Menoth lists include non-solo Merc units?


They have a number of problems.

Crit slam/knockdown on a unit that can't get boosted melee attack rolls is kind of a rare
thing. I'll have to check Harbinger, but maybe her spell that boosts attack rolls can benefit
them? I'm not sure.

But there's no bones about it, Menite feats and buffs mostly benefit faction models. A
Seneschal doesn't get angry or heal when a Rhulic model dies. I don't think Severius's
Eye of Menoth spell doesn't grant a +1 to attack and damage.

And for Horgenhold in particular, SPD 4 is a deal breaker. Temple Flameguard can run on
turn one, and then thereafter simply advance in Shield Wall and serve much better as
a speed bunch for the low cost of 4/6. Temple Flameguard also benefit from faction spells,
feats, AND the Covenant of Menoth, whereas the Forge Guard can't keep up and can't
benefit from the spells or abilities. They don't feed souls to anybody.

With Kreoss, as I said, you can't count on the crit slam, and so the feat is a little redundant
with them since you can't slam a knocked down model. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2417073.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2417073.page GMT Re:Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2417159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2417159.page GMT Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate
maybe later.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2417397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2417397.page GMT Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate ua that's slow, low def, but hits like a truck.

You should never count on the critical slam unless they are in a Highborn list with Aslynn. Minus that list, I never slam unless its the last guy, your fighting a jack, you didn't get the damage you needed, and you just rolled a crit. That's when you slam, or if your clearing objectives.

They are low cost, survivable with ARM 18, pretty good MAT, weaponmaster, and insane off a charge. But why they work is the Searforge best jacks: Drillers and Gun Bunnies, are low cost, so you have the ability to easily field 2 full units plus nice Warjack support for Casters who have high WC points. If you want to use Forge Guard play Highborn or Searforge, if you want to play Menoth, you have better options with higher speed, def, and weaponmaster or cool abilities that hit just as hard, and cost the same in points and $.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2421200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2421200.page GMT Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate PP sit,e it looks like there's a new Solo coming out for Menoth that will allow merc units to receive Menoth Faction buffs!

if these guys could get menoth faction buffs, would that change anything? are there any Faction buffs that allow a unit to roll extra dice on the attack (increasing odds of a crit)?

I've got both a searforge and a menoth faction, so units that will allow me to grow both are a plus.

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Guided Hand: Friendly model/unit gains additional die on first melee attack roll.

However, I don't remember if I wrote it correctly into the article. Is it friendly or friendly faction?

Either way, it's not ideal.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2422500.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2422500.page GMT Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2422516.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2422516.page GMT Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate Guided hand gives and additional de on each MODEL'S first melee attack roll this turn.

As well, the Harbinger can Crusader's call to give the slow dwarves a little more room to charge.

Only issue here, is this is a Harbinger synergy, not the pKreoss/Redeemer synergy I'd initially hoped for.

The Attendant Priest Attachment
http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/units/attendant-priest-mercenary-unit-attachment

Looks like he's going to allow friendly Mercenary Models to count as Friendly Faction Models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2424151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2424151.page GMT Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2425539.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2425539.page GMT Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate
Edit: The +2/+4 is only on whatever is affected by the Kiss.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2425632.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2425632.page GMT Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate
I don't want to get too focused on "tournament lists" or I'm afraid WM will become as little fun as competitive Magic, but does anyone have any cool ideas about how this new unit could be used in a competitive list?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2425817.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2425817.page GMT Re:Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate
I'm starting a PoM force and my first unit will be errants. At some point I'll get temple flameguard. But none of the available merc units tempt me (well, except for Sam and her Devil Dogs). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2430628.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2430628.page GMT Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate PoM and mercs though is they have so much tied up in support already it's hard to find a place for Mercs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2430708.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2430708.page GMT Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2433435.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2433435.page GMT Horgenhold Forge Guard and the Protectorate
the forge guard marched slowly up the field, protected from spells thanks to their attendant priest.

on turn 3, Crusader's call opened the way for them to get an 11" threat range, and the attendant preist granted path finder, so the wreck markers in the way woudn't slow the advance. I was able to score 2 P+S 11, +4 dice swings on denegrah.

Guided hand let me roll 3 dice to hit, and sure enough, I crit on my second swing. Rather than take the extra damage, I chose to slam her. (I believe I lose the weapon master die and the charge die if I use the slam ability...)

I rolled a 6, and knocked her backwards, putting the nightmare out of her control area.

She was unable to give it focus on it's most crucial turn.
She was unceremoniously executed the next turn.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2723607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345074/2723607.page GMT