<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven?
So, like the title says, what is the best choice for scoring units in the 2 ravens, specifically in the context of this speedy BA list? Right now the options look like this:

1) 10 Tactical marines
2) 6 assault marines
3) 10 assault marines with jump packs removed
4) 10 scouts

I'm leaning slightly toward the assault marines minus the jump packs, but i'm not sure if 4 extra marines is worth removing the prime advantage of the unit.

Jim]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2424351.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2424351.page GMT What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven?
IF the stormraven survives until turn 3 you could then move an assault squad that took heavy casualties towards or into the storm raven, but that's a huge IF.

The raven is av12 and capible of loading up with a larger cargo of whoopass than a landraider. The main question people should be asking is what's plan b for the cargo if the raven gets smoked on turn 1.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2424578.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2424578.page GMT What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven? Also Sanguinary guard could be an option if you happen to be running Dante.
Unfortunately I run Death Company in mine as after I thought about it I decided that a Raven was a big enough fire magnet as it was. I didn't want a scoring cargo to be more incentive to put it down.

Cheers,
~Volkan]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2424579.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2424579.page GMT What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven?
Also, if you're not going first, don't deploy them on the table, unless there's some ungodly huge piece of LOS-blocking terrain you can actually hide them behind. Reserve them instead. If your opponent moves toward your units which ARE on the table, he's got to worry about you flying onto the board, immediately disembarking and assaulting his stuff. If he hangs back, he lets you keep control of your half of the table, and your SRs can move 24" the turn they arrive, so they get at least halfway across the table and they have a cover save when your opponent finally gets a chance to shoot at them. And if he's got too many guns, you can zip up a flank or something to reduce the number which can get range and LOS on them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2424807.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2424807.page GMT Re:What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2425527.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2425527.page GMT Re:What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven? FLGS uses two ravens. In one he puts five termies, librarian (I think), and a blood talon furioso. In the other he puts a furiouso. Turn 2 they are usually assaulting something. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2425602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2425602.page GMT What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven? DC and Chappy in mine, going to get lemartes and refigure out my HQ soon. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2425680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2425680.page GMT What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven? Therefore, its probably wise to mount a non-scoring unit in it and give scoring units mediocre transports that will hardly attract fire.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2425844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2425844.page GMT What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven?
wuestenfux wrote:A Stormraven will attract a lot of fire, as already said.


I have publicly stated, for the record, to the BA players of my regular group that: 1) It is and will forever after be called a "Chibihawk", 2) it WILL die.
As an IG player I have enough Ordinance pie and Lascannons to turn the stubby little thing to scrap many times over.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2425891.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2425891.page GMT What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven?
A-P wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:A Stormraven will attract a lot of fire, as already said.


I have publicly stated, for the record, to the BA players of my regular group that: 1) It is and will forever after be called a "Chibihawk", 2) it WILL die.
As an IG player I have enough Ordinance pie and Lascannons to turn the stubby little thing to scrap many times over.

A single fast AV 12 skimmer will not last very long, no matter what.
Ask a mech Eldar player - Serpents eventually go down early in the game, but target saturation helps here.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2425910.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2425910.page GMT What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven? As most of the other posters have mentioned, you use a raven to drop a bomb of a unit in the enemies face (and then watch it more than likely get shot down in a fiery wreckage)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2427814.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2427814.page GMT Re:What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven?
jim]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2428723.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2428723.page GMT What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven? MM swap is nice) I'd consider would be Extra Armor. It's a 7.5% cost upgrade to make a transport which is likely hauling two important units better at delivering its payload.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2428774.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2428774.page GMT Re:What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven?
JimLofa wrote:ok... So what I'm hearing is that the raven will, almost without fail, be dead around turn 3. That being said, do weapon upgrades make sense for the raven? Hurricane bolters are certainly nice, but if this think is going to die quickly should I go with a bare-bones version and use the saved points elsewhere? Perhaps on something that is not going to draw all the anit-vehicle fire my enemy has at his disposal...

jim


It's complicated. The survivablity of a raven from turn to turn is more of an integral curve than a straight line.

If the raven still has cargo the other side is going to throw everything and the kitchen sink at it.

If the raven unloaded it's cargo the other side is likely to be far more preoccupied with the cargo than the raven, but some opponents will be motivated to slag the raven before it unloads it's 4 missiles.

If the raven unloaded it's cargo and missiles it's probably home free. The other side will probably be far more occupied with landing shots against more fragile AV11 razorbacks or getting a side AV11 shot on predators or vindicators, unless the cargo of the raven is still alive and kicking their teeth in. Then they really won't be worried about the raven.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2430638.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2430638.page GMT What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2431339.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2431339.page GMT What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2431489.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2431489.page GMT What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2433499.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2433499.page GMT What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven? POTMS cant it still move straight forward if shaken?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2433714.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2433714.page GMT What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven?
A melta armed assault squad with a powerfist complements the dreadnought nicely as the Storm Raven's payload. The assault squad can help demech the opponent and are scoring. Assault squads can buy a cheap dedicated transport and have more vehicles running around so the storm raven isn't such a huge target and you can deploy the assault squad in the razorback if you are going second and have to reserve your Storm Raven.

Storm Ravens require extra armor as you want to get your assaulty payload into the assault phase and unlike land raiders storm ravens are more likely to take a hit before they get there.

Power of the Machine Spirit only allows you to fire one weapon if shaken or stunned it does not allow you to move you still need to buy extra armor.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2433748.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2433748.page GMT Re:What is the best scoring unit to put in a BA Stormraven?
I was kicking this idea around in my head... What about a smaller unit (5-8 models lets say) of vanguard vets, or perhaps even honor guard? Too few models? Too vulnerably? Too expensive? That is what I was thinking at first, but either choice has a ton of equipment options and the power is near to a unit of death company without the fear of my opponent leading them on a "move toward the nearest visible enemy" goose chase.

Would either of those units be able to stand up in close combat/would it be worth the points to make them an effective assault unit?

Jim]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2439980.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/345515/2439980.page GMT