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				<title>2000pts space wolves</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Well guys and gals here is my new space wolves 2000 point list. Tell me what you guys think for a beginner player like me. Thanks <img src="/s/i/a/3280d57d913d8178fb42a55db16d1e89.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>:<br /> Bjorn Fellhanded-270 pts<br /> Plasma cannon<br /> Role: Putting him midfield with the grey hunter squads.<br /> <br /> Elite<br /> Wolf guard-395<br /> 5 models<br /> Terminator armour<br /> arjac rockfist<br /> 3 wolf claw pair<br /> 1 thuner hammer/storm shield<br /> Role:Move in with Ragnar all in land raider attack things in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> using some of his awesome abilities<br /> <br /> Wolf Guard-134<br /> 3 models <br /> power armor<br /> 1 with power fist and combi melta <br /> 1 with 2 lightning claws<br /> 1 with power fist and combi melta<br /> Role:power fist goes with meltagun squad to bash tanks<br /> 2 lightning claw wolf guard goes with the in the face grey hunter squad<br /> power fist man goes with the mid field Melta unit<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Troops<br /> <br /> Grey hunters pack-215<br /> 9 models<br /> melta gun 1<br /> Drop pod <br /> mark of the wulfen<br /> power weapon<br /> Wolf Standared<br /> Role: Drop in close to the enemy along with their wolf guard leader doing close range tanks killing along with the power fists to clean up leftover vehicles. The mark of the wulfen is always great for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>cc</span> also.<br /> <br /> Grey hunters pack-215<br /> 9 models<br /> melta gun<br /> mark of the wulfen <br /> power weapon<br /> Drop Pod<br /> Wolf Standared<br /> Role<img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">rop in and go close range taking out infantry along with their lightning claw wolf guard brother to assist them.  <br /> <br /> Grey hunters pack-215<br /> 9 models<br /> melta gun<br /> mark of the wulfen<br /> power weapon<br /> Drop Pod<br /> Wolf standared<br /> Role: Drop in near mid field giving close range fire perhaps getting into assaults of need be that is why i am taking mark of the wulfen and a frost blade on my wolf guard  <br /> <br /> Heavy support <br /> Land raider -275<br /> twin linked bolter<br /> extra armour<br /> multi-melta<br /> lascannons<br /> Role: Going in and dropping of the Terminators then attacking stuff with its lascannons as it withdraws giving heavy armor support.<br /> <br /> Vindicator-140<br /> extra armour<br /> Siege Shield <br /> Role: Sit in back give support using siege shield if needed<br /> <br /> Vindicator-140<br /> extra armour<br /> Siege Shield<br /> Role: Sit in back give support using siege shield if needed<br /> ]]></description>
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				<title>2000pts space wolves</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I get the feeling this list went through multiple incarnations before leading up to this one based on your plans for them.<br /> <br /> Overall, there's 3 issues:<br /> <br /> 1) Too few troops<br /> 2) Too little in the way of ranged fire support<br /> 3) Too few targets<br /> <br /> You need more Troops and Bjorn isn't gonna be a happy camper in this list as he'll be forced to keep marching forward putting you in precarious situations. If going for a more assaulty punch, take Ragnar with the Termies and unleash hell. Really though, look for a cheaper H.Q. So you're not caught with your junk hanging in the wind.<br /> <br /> This way, you can then move the Land Raider to dedicated for the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(225);'>WG</span> and with leftover points take <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span> Long Fangs to add some depth to the list. Possibly a Wolf Priest would suffice.<br /> <br /> Now...about more Troops, its a tough call as to how you make it work. I would prefer not podding in with Vindicators as you're inviting destruction on a biblical scale with bad scatters. I would go with an amrored push instead as you could field razorbacks/rhinos. I would go with Razorbacks and drop the Wolf Guard pack 2 for some dreadnought support in the form of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PC</span>. If not, another Grey Hunter pack as 5 troops is better for 2000 point games in my opinion.<br /> <br /> Just my ideas.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:57:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Unholy_Martyr]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2000pts space wolves</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Dang dude you really think i need to do all that? Well thanks for the advice <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(269);'>id</span> better start redoing the list thanks.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:56:56]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ storm wolf]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well that's going to get you going in a certain direction, now based on your notes it seems like you had a different direction for the list. If you put that out there maybe the changes could be more subtle.<br /> <br /> The list could be somewhat more viable by taking Logan for instance as your termies gain you a 4th scoring unit and makes them nasty as can be.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:56:57]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Unholy_Martyr]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2000pts space wolves</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I think this list is workable, but it does need to have a bit of a re-design in order to be effective. Bjorn is an excellent commander and I really like him a lot, but in order to use him properly he needs a proper amount of support. Most of the time this means taking a pair of Dreadnoughts as a "bodyguard" to provide target saturation, extra ranged support and counter-assault for your Grey Hunters. I would also recommend putting the Grey Hunters in Rhinos instead of Drop Pods, as it's a much more reliable means of transport and offers true mobility rather than one-shot mobility. Breaking one of the packs into a pair of small packs in Razorbacks would also be a reasonable decision since it will increase your scoring potential and ranged firepower.<br /> <br /> Your Land Raider unit is a bit ineffective in my opinion. I've never been a fan of Wolf Guard in a Land Raider, they just don't put out enough damage to be worth the points even with Ragnar and a Wolf Priest. Ironically, the best unit for a Land Raider seems to be a pack of Grey Hunters. They are one of the most efficient units in the codex, and can offer ranged potential as well as melee, especially if they have Arjac attached.<br /> <br /> Using the above comments without changing your list too much, I came up with this:<br /> <br /> Bjorn the Fel Handed (Plasma) - 270<br /> Dreadnought (Plasma Cannon, Heavy Flamer) - 125<br /> Dreadnought (Plasma Cannon, Heavy Flamer) - 125<br /> 3 Wolf Guard (3 power Fists) - 129<br /> 9 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Wolf Standard, Mark of the Wulfen) - 165<br /> 9 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Wolf Standard, Rhino) - 185<br /> 9 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Wolf Standard, Rhino) - 185<br /> 5 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Razorback w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Lascannon) - 155<br /> 5 Grey Hunters (Meltagun, Razorback w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Lascannon) - 155<br /> Land Raider (Multi-Melta, Extra Armor) - 275<br /> Vindicator - 115<br /> Vindicator - 115<br /> Total 1,999<br /> <br /> The major changes are swapping the Wolf Guard for a pair of Razorback packs, the Drop Pods for Rhinos, ditching the excess wargear on the Grey Hunters, and using the extra points for a pair of Dreadnoughts. You could replace the Plasma Cannons on the Dreadnoughts with Multi-Meltas and save 20 points, but I'm not sure where you would put them and I actually like Plasma weapons on Dreadnoughts. It gives you the reward of a Plasma weapon without the risk of causing damage to the shooter.<br /> <br /> Anyway, I hope that helps.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:58:36]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Aldarionn]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2000pts space wolves</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ i really like your idea Aldarion but i did notice no termies is it that termies wouldnt  be my best  choice for this sort of list. but my second question is why is it that the first squad of hunters have no transport but i really like that list idea. Thanks guys any other suggestions<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:41:40]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ storm wolf]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2000pts space wolves</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>storm wolf wrote:</cite>i really like your idea Aldarion but i did notice no termies is it that termies wouldnt  be my best  choice for this sort of list.</div></blockquote><br /> For the mostpart, Terminators are just not efficient for Space Wolves. There are some instances where you can do some good things with them, but in most cases it's more efficient to take Grey Hunters, which are significantly cheaper and have solid ranged and melee capabilities, if not quite the durability. As a result, I replaced the Terminators with Grey Hunters in the above list.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>storm wolf wrote:</cite>but my second question is why is it that the first squad of hunters have no transport but i really like that list idea. Thanks guys any other suggestions<br /> </div></blockquote>They ride in the Land Raider with an attached Wolf Guard. Again, I replaced the Terminators in this list with Grey Hunters, so they use the Land Raider as a transport instead of taking a Rhino.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:18:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Aldarionn]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2000pts space wolves</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Yea i like your thoughts. THey seem very logical to me looking at all the stats. So im going to start building the list what should i start on first? thanks a lot man<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:48:51]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ storm wolf]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Building the list as in buying the figures? If that's the case, buy Wolf Packs......lots of them......and Meltaguns a-plenty (because the Wolf Packs come only with Plasma).<br /> <br /> Also, buy a Razorback for each pack. It comes with all of the parts to make both a Rhino and a Razorback, so you can build the Razorback turret, but not glue the hatch in place, allowing you to glue the doors of the Rhino hatch together and switch between the two freely.<br /> <br /> Otherwise just buy whatever seems appropriate for your budget.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:22:31]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Aldarionn]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2000pts space wolves</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ All right  man thanks. But i alos have a small problem the dread with a plasma cannon is only 115 points not 125 so i thought that i could instead give the vindis siege shields. What do you think. but before your awsome list i bought the battleforce a wolf pack and i have a rhino so im gonna start workin thanks man. plus where should i buy melta guns cheap?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:23:43]]> GMT</pubDate>
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