<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "The Spears of Baal, 1500pts"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net The Spears of Baal, 1500pts
HQ

Reclusiarch (Melta bombs)

Troops

8 Assault marines (melta gun, power weapon)
8 Assualt marines (melta gun, power weapon)
8 Death company (Bolters, power weapon, power fist)
Death company dread (talons, melta, flamer)

Elites

2 Priests (JP's)

Heavy

Stormraven (TL MM, TL LC, EA)
Vindicator
Autolas Pred

Right now bear with me, I have literally done this with no codex and no calculator, so take the points with a pinch of salt! Far as I'm aware though, it comes to 1498.

Thinking about swapping a priest and one squad of assulat marines for rhino mounted tac squad, while also bumping other assualt squad to 10 men with another melta. This would give me a much better chance in obj. based games because I'll be able to combat squad! Thoughts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2477884.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2477884.page GMT The Spears of Baal, 1500pts Not a bad list really pal but if you can I'd try to make the assault squads 10 men each with 2 meltas rather than one.
Might be hard pushed to find the points though, you'd have to strip down your dc :X

Works either way - I'd use that list happily.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2477913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2477913.page GMT The Spears of Baal, 1500pts
Reclusiarch (Melta bombs)

Troops

10 Assault marines (melta guns, power weapon)
Tactical squad (ML, MG, rhino)
8 Death company (Bolters, power weapon, power fist)
Death company dread (talons, melta, flamer)

Elites

Priests (JP)

Heavy

Stormraven (TL MM, TL LC, EA)
Vindicator
Autolas Pred



]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2477930.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2477930.page GMT Re:The Spears of Baal, 1500pts
okay so to me your list lacks some synergy what I'd reccomend is to decided to play Lazerback spam or DoA.


For a Hq, it is generally better to go for a Librarian or be totally cheesy and go for Mephiston. I find that Chaplains are somewhat lacklustre.

For troops, unless playing Astorath Red Thirst, Death company are just too expensive for what they do. Either go with 5 assualt marines with no packs in Lazerbacks with meltas, flamers or plasmas or a squad of 10 with sergeant and a power weapon if you're playing DoA.

Your elites are fine in my book.

Your heavy support needs a little work. Drop the stormraven because, like the death comapany, is too expensive. Drop the pred and try to go for 3 vindicators. If you don't have the points for 3, go for 2.

hope I helped,

Zeph.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2477934.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2477934.page GMT The Spears of Baal, 1500pts
I think the stormraven can work, if I'm going first, scout 24" before the battle, then move 6", unloading loads of AT fire at two targets, unload the death company and have them trash whatever comes out! If going second, reserves would also work!

I am against special characters, my gaming group hasn't banned them, just if you win a game mainly due to the fact you fielded one, the others look down on you!

Librarians are cool, and seem to lend quite a lot to an army. I just can't resist total re-rolling, black amroured, feel no paining nut-jobs!

Not meaning to reject your advice at all, and I'm 100% sure whatever list you build would be considered more competitive by most players!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2477963.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2477963.page GMT The Spears of Baal, 1500pts DC. Yeah if you haven't noticed I despise the stormraven and death company. I have no problem against not running special characters a lot of armies can win without them *cough leaf blower guard.....but thats another story]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2478052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2478052.page GMT The Spears of Baal, 1500pts
Let me digest some of that!

Why can stormravens not scout?

The general tactic was to see where the DC's rage takes them. With POTMS on the raven, I could engage 4 targets before taking any fire! Meanwhile, a vindicator and FC'ing assault squad are sneaking up. But I see you're point, it's a big risk.

I mainly decided on the tacs to combat squad and have the ML sit my home objective, while the melta gun runs in the rhino contesting stuff. But obviously assualt squads have a lot more offensive capability. (can see why they named each unit type as they have )

Also as a side question what is leaf blower guard? I always hear it and never know what it means...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2478433.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2478433.page GMT The Spears of Baal, 1500pts USR, well rage will not take you very far lol and a smart opponent will use rage to make them useless. also tacticals are still bad so really just get another assault squad also if you just place a 5 man squad there, it is fine also blood angels can be very shooty I.E. razorspam anyway drop the tacts they are pretty bad even for 1 ML just take another assault squad. Leaf blower guard is a wall of chimeras (AND I MEAN A TON) with veterans with 3melta or 3plasma and vendettas along with a ton of hydra sitting behind the chimeras gaining a 3+ cover it is nasty ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2478462.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2478462.page GMT The Spears of Baal, 1500pts
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2478475.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2478475.page GMT The Spears of Baal, 1500pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2478536.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2478536.page GMT Re:The Spears of Baal, 1500pts
I like DC - strip any jump packs and the PW. Keep the fist.

Rage sucks, but you can deal with it. Putting a DC into a Storm Raven or LR is the only way to get them at least one shot at a chosen assault. They are still pretty cheap. And I like the Reclusiarch, but he doesn't have a hood.

Standard Assault marines (4x/1Sgt w/PF) = 125 pts
On the charge 12 S4 attacks at I4, 3 S10 attacks at I1
Against MEQs: 4s to hit, 4s to wound w/ CC's - 4s to hit, 2s to wound w/PF

DC (5x - 1 w/PF - no JPs) = 125pts
On the charge (FC) 16 S5 attacks at I5, 3 S10 attacks at I1
Against MEQs: 3s to hit, 3s to wound w/ CC's - 3s to hit, 2s to wound w/PF

For 125 w/FC and FNP it seems like a bargain to me.

If I take out a unit sames size its a wash, if I take out two units or a nice expensive unit, I've made a profit. Also, your opp has to maneuver anything he doesn't want to get hit by the DC which affects his movement.

Attach a Reclusiarch to the DC and your re-rolling hits and wounds on the turn you assault.

The down side, they can't take objectives and you only get 1 (2 if you take Astorath). You also don't get the nice discounted transports like BA Assault Marines when they lose the JP.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2479853.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2479853.page GMT The Spears of Baal, 1500pts
Sort out what you want and don't want and take units in pairs or else they won't last long at all.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2479921.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2479921.page GMT The Spears of Baal, 1500pts
DawnRaid7 wrote:

HQ

Reclusiarch (Melta bombs)

Troops

8 Assault marines (melta gun, power weapon)
8 Assualt marines (melta gun, power weapon)
8 Death company (Bolters, power weapon, power fist)
Death company dread (talons, melta, flamer)

Elites

2 Priests (JP's)

Heavy

Stormraven (TL MM, TL LC, EA)
Vindicator
Autolas Pred



I would drop the JP's and PW from the DC, probably give them BP's instead of Bolters. Don't need a PW when you have the Reclusiarch stepping in there. Mount them in the SR is fine, might as well use it if you have it right?

See if you can scrape the points to bump all your assault squads to 10 men, switch out the Vindi for another Predator maybe see what that gives you for points to play with.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2479969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2479969.page GMT The Spears of Baal, 1500pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2479990.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2479990.page GMT Re:The Spears of Baal, 1500pts
Death Company are better with bolters because they have relentless and two attacks base anyway....


Yes, but if they go bolter, they lose +1 for having two CC weapons.

I think its a trade-off and depends on what you want to do with the DC.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2480064.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2480064.page GMT The Spears of Baal, 1500pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2480277.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2480277.page GMT Re:The Spears of Baal, 1500pts
They have 3 attacks on the charge anyway...and can issue rapid fire death because they're relentless so don't need the extra attack.


Unless you want to assault something and shooting the crap out of it takes you out of 6" range.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2480500.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2480500.page GMT The Spears of Baal, 1500pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2480580.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348717/2480580.page GMT