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HQ
Chaplain w/jump pack - 115

troops
Tac 1 - 250
x 10 marines
MM, MG
PF Sergeant
Rhino w/ extra armor

Tac 2 - 240
x 10 Marines
FL, PC
PW Sergeant
Rhino w/extra armor

Tac 3 - 220
x 10 Marines
PG, PC
PC
Rhino

Scout Squad
x 5 Scouts
x 5 Sniper Rifles

Fast Attack
Assault Squad - 225
x 10 Marines
FL
PF Sergeant

LS Squadron -230
x2 FL/MM
x1 HF/AC

Heavy Support
Devastator Squad - 150
x 5 Marines
x4 ML

If i did the Math correctly, this comes to 1505 points. I'd only have to pick up the Speeders and 1 Rhino to make the whole list. Plan is to deepstrike the speeders,while Tac 1 moves to center with the assault squad supporting, Snipers will provide more support from cover. This gives opponent MM/HF in the face to deal with along with the snipers and the 4 ML's from the devs. Hopefully Assault squad and Tac 1 can lock down any elites/MCs threatening midfield. Tacs 2 & 3 sould have an easier time making it to objectives at this point, and can then hold and blast at any troops advancing( which will be footslogging if the speeder Kamikaze is successful). Snipers can move out of cover and maybe try to contest objectives at the end, depending on what the situation is. I have the scouts (and Telion) and i like them but wouldn't be opposed to dumping them for improvements. I just think they add to a big list of high priority targets to stretch the enemy thin. Also i've been an infantry army thus far and have zero experience with the vehicles so advise is welcome. I'd like to stay away from tanks as i rather the infantry based approach. I'll probably wait to go into the heavy mech until i'm playing 2K+. Also, i'm not really a fan of the bikes but can someone weigh in on the pros/cons with actual gameplay experience please. So let me hear what is good and not so good about the list.


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Unfortunately, if you plan on playing competitively it doesn't work out as well. The improvements made to vehicles in 5th edition have made them nearly mandatory. At any point level much above 1000, their cost starts to outpace the cost of infantry and they dominate. The mobility and firepower they have is too efficient to be left on the sidelines. To compete at levels above 1000 points, you must mech up. It will save money as well. Mech lists easily scale up by adding additional units to a basic building block. Converting from foot to mech at 2000 would be really expensive. By incrementally adding to a mech list, you will save money and spread the cost out over time.

Below is a example of a competitive list (courtesy of YTTH)
It plays on the strengths of the vanilla marine list namely very efficent shooting. This list is designed to dominate the middle of the board and hold in against counterattacks.

1500 Pts – Space Marines Roster – 'Best Of' marine list – 1500 ver 1.1
HQ: Master of the Forge (1#, 120 pts)
1 Master of the Forge @ 120 pts (Converison Beamer)
Troops: Scout Squad (6#, 148 pts)
5 Scout Squad @ 148 pts (Sniper Rifle x4; Heavy Bolter w/Hellfire Shells; Sergeant Telion)
1 Sergeant Telion
Elite: Dreadnought (1#, 105 pts)
1 Dreadnought @ 105 pts
Elite: Dreadnought (1#, 105 pts)
1 Dreadnought @ 105 pts
Elite: Dreadnought (1#, 105 pts)
1 Dreadnought @ 105 pts
Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 225 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 225 pts (Meltagun; Missile Launcher; Rhino)
1 Sergeant (Melta Bombs; Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Storm Bolter)
Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 225 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 225 pts (Meltagun; Missile Launcher; Rhino)
1 Sergeant (Melta Bombs; Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Storm Bolter)
Fast Attack: Land Speeder Squadron (1#, 70 pts)
1 Land Speeder Squadron @ 70 pts (Multi-Melta x1; Heavy Flamer x1)
Fast Attack: Land Speeder Squadron (1#, 70 pts)
1 Land Speeder Squadron @ 70 pts (Multi-Melta x1; Heavy Flamer x1)
Fast Attack: Land Speeder Squadron (1#, 70 pts)
1 Land Speeder Squadron @ 70 pts (Multi-Melta x1; Heavy Flamer x1)
Heavy Support: Predator (1#, 85 pts)
1 Predator @ 85 pts (Heavy Bolter (each side))
Heavy Support: Predator (1#, 85 pts)
1 Predator @ 85 pts (Heavy Bolter (each side))
Heavy Support: Predator (1#, 85 pts)
1 Predator @ 85 pts (Heavy Bolter (each side))

I really lack the time at this moment to fully explain the differences between the two lists, but I will return later. In the meantime, here are some posts about Space Marine Bikers armies
http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/2010/06/how-to-space-marine-bikers-part-1.html
http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/2010/06/how-to-space-marine-bikers-part-2-unit.html
http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/2010/06/how-to-space-marine-bikers-part-3-2.html ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348731/2478645.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/348731/2478645.page GMT HQ
Chaplain w/jump pack - 115

ELITES
x 6 Sternguard Vets - 245
x 4 combi-?s
Razorback w/ Las/Plas

TROOPS
Tac 1 - 235
x 10 marines
MM, MG
PF Sergeant
Rhino

Tac 2 - 225
x 10 Marines
FL, PC
PW Sergeant
Rhino

Scout Squad - 148
x 5 Snipers
x 1 ML
Telion

Fast Attack
Assault Squad - 225
x 10 Marines
FL
PF Sergeant

LS - 70
HF/MM

LS - 70
HF/MM

Heavy Support
Devastator Squad - 166
x 6 Marines
x4 ML

TOTAL: 1499

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