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				<description><![CDATA[ My <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(38);'>FLGS</span> is having a 1500 point tourney about a month from now, so it's time for me to start planning out for first tourney! I picked Kan Wall since I'm fielding units I like and how viable the list is, and spending the least amount of $$ possible. I have no idea what the meta is like, so I'm assuming that I will be coming across a lot of mech lists as that's what is most popular in this edition.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> -------------------<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span> Big Mek - 85<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span> Big Mek - 85<br /> <br /> Elites<br /> -------------------<br /> 5x Lootas. 75<br /> 5x Lootas. 75<br /> <br /> Troops<br /> --------------------<br /> 25 Slugga Boyz; Nob w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>. 190<br /> 25 Slugga Boyz; Nob w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>. 190<br /> 25 Slugga Boyz; Nob w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>. 190<br /> <br /> Fast Attack<br /> ------------------<br /> Deffkopta - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Rokkits and Buzzsaw - 70<br /> Deffkopta - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Rokkits and Buzzsaw - 70<br /> <br /> Heavy Support<br /> ------------------------<br /> Killa Kans x3 - Rokkits - 150<br /> Killa Kans x3 - Rokkits - 150<br /> Killa Kans x3 - Rokkits - 150<br /> <br /> 1498 points<br /> <br /> Comments and suggestions welcome!]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Kan Wall 1500 competitive (first tourney ever!)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ It looks pretty solid in my opinion. For 1500 points you can't really fit in any upgrades for the Big Mek which is a shame and I feel a third Deffkopta would have been awesome for the list.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 23 Feb 2011 14:37:20]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Red Comet]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Looks pretty cool to me, nothing wrong with that. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Rokkit kans are great but I woud recommend switching one squad to big shootas.<br /> <br /> The big shootas are still effective against speeders, trukks, raiders.  Most importantly, it frees up 30 pts.  Dopr 2 boys and that gives you 42 - enough to but a min grot squad.<br /> <br /> Your list is great but your troops will be rushing forward, leaving any objective in you deployment zone unclaimed.  For 40 pts you get an onjective holder.<br /> <br /> Now that I look at it, your list is 1480.  Drop 1 squad to big shootas, add the grots, don't drop any boys, and ad heavy armor to each big mek.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 23 Feb 2011 14:57:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Vrakk]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You could get away with running a single mek with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span>. That could allow you to max out your boys squads.<br /> <br /> Keep the rokkits on the kans I think. Like you said, you are going to see a lot of vehicles. You can't have enough rokkits.<br /> <br /> The grots is a good idea too.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Now that I think about it you may need the 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span>'s.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:09:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:Kan Wall 1500 competitive (first tourney ever!)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Pretty solid.  I would personally make your boyz Shootas, but if you're more comfortable with the choppy orks, so be it.  It's just that in a Kan wall, orks shooting twice each from behind cover up to 18" away, then possibly assaulting for another 3 attacks each is a far better tradeoff than the more than likely amount of hits you'll get with the choppas.  In the end it could end up being the same exact amount of attacks, if your choppy orks are within 12" during one shooting phase.  I think your chances of producing maximum amounts of attacks are higher with shoota orks.  I think choppy orks work best in a transport, and shoota orks work best on foot.  <br /> <br /> I would also consider reducing your boyz squads by about 3 each to make room for another squad of 10 grots + herd.  They are really really nice for holding objectives in your backfield.  I usually keep them in reserve to reduce the chances of them getting obliterated through shooting.  Delayed entry is what you want with these guys so they can move in 6", and hopefully run another 6" putting them in close enough range to your objective.  ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:19:37]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Erudog]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ok, so how's this look? I only have 1 unit of 22 Shoota Boyz as I really prefer Slugga Boyz.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span> Big Mek - 85 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span> Big Mek - 85 <br /> <br /> Elites <br /> ------------------- <br /> 5x Lootas. 75 <br /> 5x Lootas. 75 <br /> <br /> Troops <br /> -------------------- <br /> 24 Slugga Boyz; Nob w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>. 184 <br /> 24 Slugga Boyz; Nob w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>. 184 <br /> 22 Shoota Boyz; Nob w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>, 2 Big Shootas. 182 <br /> 10 Grots with Runtherd - 40 points<br /> <br /> Fast Attack <br /> ------------------ <br /> Deffkopta - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Rokkits and Buzzsaw - 70 <br /> Deffkopta - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Rokkits and Buzzsaw - 70 <br /> <br /> Heavy Support <br /> ------------------------ <br /> Killa Kans x3 - Rokkits - 150 <br /> Killa Kans x3 - Rokkits - 150 <br /> Killa Kans x3 - Rokkits - 150 <br /> <br /> 1500 points ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 24 Feb 2011 03:25:51]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ AresX8]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yea this list looks fun and pretty solid, love it]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Tony the guardsman]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I would drop the Rokkits on the Koptas in favor of Cyborking the Meks, but that's a minority opinion.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 24 Feb 2011 04:55:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Doctor Optimal]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Doctor Optimal wrote:</cite>I would drop the Rokkits on the Koptas in favor of Cyborking the Meks, but that's a minority opinion.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I personally would never do this.  I'd much sooner remove 4 boyz for 2 cyborks than drop <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> S 8 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>ap</span> 3 24" weapons.  Orks need all the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> they can get <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>.  Think of how much you'd be crippling your Kopta's chances of busting open armor on an alpha strike (or any strike really....sitting 24" away coming in from an outflank and not being able to shoot the rokkits?  Horrible in my opinion...you can get your big shootas much easier elsewhere...ie your boyz).  ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 24 Feb 2011 05:46:03]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Erudog]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Great list ran it nearly identical for years I do agree with whoever said running shootas instead of choppas on foot is the way to go. Getting that many shoota's is another story though so stick with what you have for now. Be careful with the kopta's they are easily tied up. In my escalation league at 500 where only 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(187);'>foc</span> for each role, heavy elite fast, was allowed I had an opponent take a squad of 3 deffkopta's as he only had the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(505);'>AoBR</span> set to start with. I made them flee t1 with scouts, albeit they were dropped by a storm and the sgt had a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>pw</span> I only won by 1 but that's a 4 leadership check <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:23:42]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ LegendJRG]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i would bump up the shoota boyz to 30 so you could have 3 bigshootas. koptaz with bigshootas have done a number on some off my opponents before (including myself) though they obviously lack the heavy punch of rokkitz...]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ rana dandra]]></author>
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