<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Codex SM (and MEQ) Weapons Changes"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/16.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Codex SM (and MEQ) Weapons Changes Str 8 AP3 D6 attacks Rending, Deadly Jam. (+5 pts to weapon costs)

Deadly Jam: If you roll a 1 for the number of attacks you may not attack at all, and you must roll another die. If you roll another 1, then the Assault Cannon is destroyed (vehicle) or the Bearer is slain (other model)

Autocannon: 48" Str 7 AP4 D6 attacks, Jam (+5 ts to weapon costs)

Jam: If you roll a 1 for the number of attacks the weapon Jams for that turn and you may not attack at all.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2499665.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2499665.page GMT Codex SM (and MEQ) Weapons Changes http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2499693.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2499693.page GMT Codex SM (and MEQ) Weapons Changes imho and a S8 rending assault cannon would just break the game (that would be S9 for tank hunting templars, that would be off the chain ) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2499724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2499724.page GMT Codex SM (and MEQ) Weapons Changes AP 3 and d6 attacks isn't countered by a 1/36 chance of destruction.
Shooting every turn, this will deadly jam once every 5-6 games.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2499861.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2499861.page GMT Codex SM (and MEQ) Weapons Changes Not only that but I don't they need changing, nor does the fluff support this.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2500018.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2500018.page GMT Re:Codex SM (and MEQ) Weapons Changes http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2500226.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2500226.page GMT Codex SM (and MEQ) Weapons Changes
Epicwargamer wrote:Assault Cannon: 48" Str 8 AP3 D6 attacks Rending, Deadly Jam. (+5 pts to weapon costs)
So you want to make an already great weapon double the range, +2S and up to +2 attacks?

That's the same S/AP as a Battle Cannon, except with Rending.

Sorry but no, just no.

DoW
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2500546.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2500546.page GMT Codex SM (and MEQ) Weapons Changes All rapid fire (not to be confused with current Rapid Fire) weapons used rapid fire dice to determine the number of shots fired and if the weapon jammed or not.

It took far too much time and I'm quite glad to have seen the back of it.
Even if the rare 9 hits from one Termie was amazing...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2500574.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2500574.page GMT Codex SM (and MEQ) Weapons Changes
Epicwargamer wrote:Assault Cannon: 48" Str 8 AP3 D6 attacks Rending, Deadly Jam. (+5 pts to weapon costs)

Deadly Jam: If you roll a 1 for the number of attacks you may not attack at all, and you must roll another die. If you roll another 1, then the Assault Cannon is destroyed (vehicle) or the Bearer is slain (other model)

Autocannon: 48" Str 7 AP4 D6 attacks, Jam (+5 ts to weapon costs)

Jam: If you roll a 1 for the number of attacks the weapon Jams for that turn and you may not attack at all.


why on earth should it be Str8 AP3. The most powerful antitank missiles are Str8 AP 3. If anything the Assault Cannon should be Str5 AP4, in line with a heavy bolter but with more shots.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2501396.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2501396.page GMT Codex SM (and MEQ) Weapons Changes Lol sounds like 2nd edition]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2501399.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2501399.page GMT Codex SM (and MEQ) Weapons Changes
Mark wrote:Lol sounds like 2nd edition


That was the intent. The 2nd edition weapon rolled 3 dice called sustained fire dice. It would be 1, a 2, a 3, or a lightning bolt if it was a Jam. I am not quite sure of the chances. Essentially you could score 9 shots, or on a triple jam, the assault cannon would explode.

Assault Cannon was 32" Range, Str 8, and had D6+D10+8 armor penetration.

The Autocannon was 72" Range, Str 8, and had 2D6+8 armor penetration. 1 Sustained fire dice. The great thing about Reaper Autocannons, was that you could reroll Jams.

For reference, the Front armor on a Land Raider was 22.

The assault cannon could get 24 on a perfect roll. But toughness 6 model was still wounded on a 2+ and his save was reduced by 5.

The assault cannon, aTRUE super Nerfed weapon (other then the Cyclone) in 40k.

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Epicwargamer wrote:
Mark wrote:Lol sounds like 2nd edition


That was the intent. The 2nd edition weapon rolled 3 dice called sustained fire dice. It would be 1, a 2, a 3, or a lightning bolt if it was a Jam. I am not quite sure of the chances. Essentially you could score 9 shots, or on a triple jam, the assault cannon would explode.

Assault Cannon was 32" Range, Str 8, and had D6+D10+8 armor penetration.

The Autocannon was 72" Range, Str 8, and had 2D6+8 armor penetration. 1 Sustained fire dice. The great thing about Reaper Autocannons, was that you could reroll Jams.

For reference, the Front armor on a Land Raider was 22.

The assault cannon could get 24 on a perfect roll. But toughness 6 model was still wounded on a 2+ and his save was reduced by 5.

The assault cannon, aTRUE super Nerfed weapon (other then the Cyclone) in 40k.



For good reason, seeing as SM's are the only one who gets them, whats the Xeno's/chaos counter to that? I mean I already hate Assault cannons and this does NOTHING to help, seeing as it'll just get better and I have no real counter to that weaponry.

Im sorry, but this would just be ridiculous, add the autocannon thing to the IoM forces (Im thinking.. Guard) and suddenly their gunline has gone from 'pretty scary' too 'Why didn't you reserve your forces...Why?']]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2517339.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2517339.page GMT Codex SM (and MEQ) Weapons Changes
Wait, I'd still think that, but at least I'd get gaks and giggles for a moment before I got bored.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2518483.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/350111/2518483.page GMT