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				<title>2500 New O&amp;G vs Bretonnians</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Pitched Battle Scenario<br /> <br /> My list:<br /> Black Orc Warboss, Sword of Striking, Glittering Scales, Iron Curse Icon, Shield, Talisman of Preservation – 240 pts <br /> Orc Great Shaman, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(347);'>Lvl</span> 4, Talisman of Endurance – 230 <br /> Black Orc Big Boss, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span>, Shield, Dragonhelm, Potion of Speed – 127 <br /> 24 Boyz, Shields, Banner, Musician – 188 <br /> 24 Boyz, Shields, Banner, Musician – 188 <br /> 45 Night Goblins, Nets – 180 <br /> 45 Night Goblins, Nets – 180 <br /> 2 Wolf Chariots – 100 <br /> 2 Wolf Chariots – 100 <br /> 1 Boar Chariot – 85 <br /> 1 Boar Chariot – 85 <br /> 20 Black Orcs, Shields, Banner, Musician, Standard of Discipline – 295 <br /> 6 Trolls – 210 <br /> Doom Diver – 80 <br /> Doom Diver – 80 <br /> Mangler Squig – 65 <br /> Mangler Squig – 65 <br /> <br /> Deploy Black Orcs with General and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span> in center, trolls to the right, Boyz units on either side of those two units, with a boar chariot next to each boyz unit.  Night Goblin blocks go on each flank, with goblin chariot units next to each one.  Mangler squigs set up in open spaces, with doom divers both on hills.<br /> <br /> His list (not exact on everything)<br /> Bretonnian Lord on Pegasus, 4+ Ward, Heroic Killing Blow<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(347);'>Lvl</span> 4 Damsel Mounted, Mirror, Lore of Beasts<br /> Paladin <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span><br /> 2 Units of 35 Peasant Archers <br /> 4 Units of 9 Knights of the Realm, Full Command<br /> 2 Trebuchets<br /> 9 Grail Knights<br /> <br /> Pretty much a straight line, with the Pegasus Lord back behind the knights units (grail knights in center).  Trebuchets positioned slightly behind the two big blocks of Peasant Archers on both flanks.<br /> <br /> Turn 1 Orcs: (He prays).<br /> Pretty much move up the entire army in a line.  Dispels all magic attempts and uses the mirror.  Doom Divers pick off a knight of the realm.<br /> <br /> Turn 1 Bretonnians:<br /> Declares a charge with his grail knights, using his banner of +1d6 charge and reroll charging distance (vow?), making it into the black orcs.  Everything else shuffles slightly forward.  Magic phase miscasts and loses a wizard level on his <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(347);'>Lvl</span> 4 Damsel.  One trebuchet shoots wide - other blasts a unit of night goblins killing 14.  They pass their panic.  Peasants pick off a Mangler Squig, causing the other unit of night goblins to flee.  Close combat - BOrc Warboss issues a challenge and kills off a grail knight (BOrcs go <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span>/Shield).  Grail Knights kill 3 BOrcs, BOrcs kill 2 more back - BOrcs pass <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>LD</span> test on a 9 (Banner of Discipline).<br /> <br /> Turn 2 Orcs:<br /> Trolls flank charge the grail knights.  Both units of Wolf Chariots make loooooooong charges against the bowmen units, survive the stand and shoot.  Other boys units move up to face the Knights of the Realm with a boar chariot each slightly back and to the side.  Magic Phase, try again to teleport a mangler squig but dispelled.  Get off Foot of Gork and kill 6 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(507);'>KOTR</span>.  Shooting each Doom Diver takes off a couple <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(507);'>KOTR</span>.  <br /> Close Combat - both Goblin Wolf Chariots win combats against the archers (like 8-10 impact kills each alone), they fail their LD5 Stubborn and run them down.  BOrc Warboss kills another Grail Knight, they kill a BOrc and trolls vomit, taking them down to 2 Grail Knights and their <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span>.  Fail their <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>LD</span> test but get away from the trolls.<br /> <br /> Turn 2 Bretonnians:<br /> Both <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(507);'>KOTR</span> charge the Orc Blocks.  Grail Knights rally. Bretonnian Lord on Pegasus charges the Trolls (forgot he had Heroic Killing Blow).  Magic phase he irresistably gets off +3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>Str</span> +3 Attacks on his Lord - loses another wizard level.  One trebuchet misfires, other scatters into his general and Grail Knights, but doesn't do anything.  Close Combat - both <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(507);'>KOTR</span> win combat, but Orcs pass stubborn test.  Bretonnian Lord with 7 attacks rolls all 1s and 2s.  His Pegasus misses as well.  6 Trolls vomit back - he passes 5 4+ Ward Saves.  <br /> <br /> Turn 3 Orcs:<br /> Both Boar Chariots charge in flanks of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(507);'>KOTR</span>.  Both Wolf Chariots turn and face Trebuchets.  Night Goblins fail to rally and run off the board.  Magic Phase - again, get my teleporting Mangler squig (who hasn't moved more than 5" a turn) dispelled.  Get off Foot of Gork irresistably, but scatters off. Shooting - both doom divers concentrate on the 2 Grail Knights and Paladin left and take them down to just the Paladin.  Close Combat - both boar chariot/boyz blocks win combat and chase down the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(507);'>KOTR</span>.  Bretonnian Lord killing blows a troll, but the rest pass their <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>LD</span> test (kept making Ward Saves from vomit).<br /> <br /> Turn 3 Bretonnians:  (Its pretty much over at this point).<br /> Paladin <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span> charges into the trolls, trebuchet lands on a night goblin unit killing a bunch and panicking it.  Magic phase gets dispelled.  Close combat the Bret Lord killing blows another troll, although 3 vomit on the Paladin <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span> killing him and tieing the combat.  <br /> <br /> Turn 4 He calls it<br /> <br /> Learning points:<br /> Orc Boyz 5 wide and deep in ranks near the Warboss are incredibly hard to shift with T4 and 6+ Shield Parry.  Keeping trolls nearby the general and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span> are great for a flanking unit, especially when the General BOrc unit seems to be the center of attention.  Mangler Squigs seem pretty iffy - can die to concentrated fire or magic and have random mvt, but then again took alot of fire away from my chariots.  Boar Chariots are incredible for supporting boyz blocks - think I'll pair 1 up with each Boyz block from now on.  Wolf Chariots are so fast they can almost guarantee a 2nd turn charge against missile/war machines.  Orc magic is brutal.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Mattbranb]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I was considering whether to take one or two units of wolf chariots (I really, really dislike the model), but it looks like I should probably just suck it up and get a couple more.<br /> <br /> Thanks for the report!  It's nice to see the new greenskins getting some action already.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Strelka]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2500 New O&amp;G vs Bretonnians</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I really don't like them either - proxying them right now to see how they work out (god they're so good as long as they don't get shot down).  Think I'm going to put (2) squigs pulling them, with night goblin crew in the chariot.  Just have to modify regular spearmen a bit and add some chains to the squigs - fluffy and look much better.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Mattbranb]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I know how you feel.  I'm trying to decide if/how to convert my wolf and spider cavalry to night goblins.  They just LOOK cooler.<br /> <br /> I mean, they have spiders in caves, right?  And wolves, right?  Subterranean cave wolves!]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Strelka]]></author>
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