5. Tyranid shrike broods arn't compettitive, 250 points would be much better suited for the MIGHTY TERVIGON.

7. at 2k you should probably run a bigger HQ, like tervigon or flyrant.

8. with the amount of stuff with toxin sacks you dont need them on gargoyls and they already wound of 6's to hit.

I am unimpressed with the Trygon, Mawloc, Carnifex, and Tyrant

Whats wrong with infiltrating 18" away? (And not everybody can be a good player, so why not use the ability the Codex has given to ya?)

And one more bit of advice (not necessarily for this list): Try the Tervigon. Give it Tox, Adrenal Glands, and Catalyst. Being able to give any unit within 12" FNP is pretty dang useful, and pumping out Gants can change games. Take 2 units of Termagants and 2 Tervigons, and then you've got a Str 6/T6/W6 MC standing on objectives. Outflanking them via Hive Tyrant usually turns out to be very helpful.

wisdomseyes1 wrote:I am actually more partial to Dual Tyranid Primes with LW/BS and TS. Joined in termagaunt units, they
A. Provide a nice wall for the Tyranid Prime
B. Provide strong synapse
C. Make for a hell of a scoring unit
D. Have amazing CC skills.

Try putting Tyranid Prime with gants on an objective in cover gone to ground... 23 3+ save wounds for 200 points isn't something that is going down from shooting. Opponents trying to get into close combat with you will be attacking second because of lash whips and be hit by the might of your entire unit.

Plus, the Prime is no pushover by himself. I feel he is more cost efficient and provides more synergy with the rest of the army. Playstyle choice i guess.

wisdomseyes1 wrote:Usually best to give them nothing when they are screening MC's. This is not the case. Remember that gargoyles with AG and TS cost the same as gaunts with TS. they are far better at doing the same job. My advice leans more toward, "Drop the shrikes for more gargoyles and give them both". At 8 points each... them being that good at anti-infantry is kind of unreal.

wisdomseyes1 wrote:Mawloc sucks. So that is expected. Carnifex is not bad... but costs a lot. Tyrant shouldn't be dying if you are getting it cover saves from A. If it is a flyrant gargoyles or B Tyrant guard. Also note that it can get a 2+ armor save, which greatly decreases the amount of weapons that penetrate its armor. And 2+ armor takes twice as many shots to get past than 3+ assuming no penetration.

Trygons need to be run in pairs. Also, I hope you weren't deepstriking it when you tested it... or were using that crappy thing cruddace was so funny enough to call a gun.

wisdomseyes1 wrote:Well, when you run you need to get a 6 to be in range of anything... and you wont be in cover.

In general, small units of genestealers always infiltrate, large units chose one way or the other. Remember that infiltrators are deployed after everything else, so you can see where your opponent has deployed before deciding.

mercer wrote:

wisdomseyes1 wrote:

2. Zoanthropes will get shot before they can even fire because you dont have them in a snot pod.
3. this means you will definetly lose to mech orrientated armies.

I disagree with this. Zoantrhopes actually can survive much longer than people give them credit for. Their bane is small arms fire, which in this case... won't being going to them.

any player who knows how to bring down Zoanthropes will do exactly that, kill them with weight of fire power and point small arms at them and bring them down.

List wise the HQs are fine and so are majority of the elites. I tried triple Zoanthropes on foot once and they did just as good as a unit in a Pod which arrived turn 5, plus once they got into range only two was left anyway.

I don't think the Warriors will make combat. Sweet models but honestly they're not that good.

I don't think you need the Broodlord, doesn't do a huge amount. I'd just get the extra 'Stealers for more attacks and wounds.

Hormagaunts are ok.

Shrikes at least can get into combat but costing a lot. I'd rather take Raveners myself which have a potential longer assault range which means you won't need Gargoyles.

I think your monstrous creatures have probably died because maybe you've been using them wrong. Tyrants need a Tyrant Guard if on foot or need a Gargoyle shield if taking wings, if you do take a Flyrant you need some other fast units to support it i.e Raveners. Trygons can get blown to pieces so using terrain is wise but can hold them back, if you're deep striking them or taking them in singles or just zooming them out in the open they will die. Carnifexes as probably the best monstrous creatures in the codex along with Tervigons, they get cover easily and can put down a lot of shots though if you want combat go Trygons.

ruminator wrote:There's a mass of warrior sized models to swamp the enemy's shooting choices. It's not optimal, I agree, but it's certainly playable!

Agree that boneswords on the warriors is perhaps excessive. That's a shooty unit.

ruminator wrote:The shrike unit looks illegal as you can't swap the talons for the boneswords, so devourer/bonesword is not a possible combo. As they are fast CC machines anyway, I would maybe look to run them with rending/boneswords. They can then still be a threat to low armour and the devourer isn't that great. Start them on the board and run them in the T1 shooting phase from behind the gargoyle screen. If you want some shooty give one of them a barbed strangler.

ruminator wrote:I would maybe only go 1 broodlord as this would allow you to stick a few more stealers in and keep the brood big enough so it won't go down to one-turn shooting.