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				<description><![CDATA[ I worked out this list to battle against my friend who is using 'nids. I would really like any advice for areas to improve. He tends to bring 3 zoanthropes, a hive tyrant, and 3 tyrant guard, and the one that goes underground (i forget the name).<br /> <br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>'s</b><br /> *<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> Chapter Master-- combi-melta, relic blade, artificer<br /> <i>180 pts</i><br /> <br /> *<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> Captain-- <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> <i>128 pts</i><br /> <br /> <b>Troops</b><br /> * Tact Squad 1-- flamer, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, chainsword<br /> <i>170 pts</i><br /> <br /> *Tact Squad 2- flamer, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span>, chainsword<br /> <i>170 pts</i><br /> <br /> *Tact Squad 3- flamer, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span>, chainsword, Rhino<br /> <i>205 pts</i><br /> <br /> *Scout Squad-- 4x snipers, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span> w/ Hellfire, camo cloaks, homer<br /> <i>103 pts</i><br /> <br /> <b>Fast</b><br /> *Assault Squad-- power weapon<br /> <i>115 pts</i><br /> <br /> <b>Elites</b><br /> *Termies-- Assault Cannon<br /> <i>230 pts</i><br /> <br /> *Dread- Twin Linked <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span><br /> <i>110pts</i><br /> w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>-- Deathwind<br /> <i>55 pts</i><br /> <br /> TOTAL PTS: <i>1501</i><br /> <br /> THANKS]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ This is an interesting list. As a space marine player I might employ it... now here's some forewarn.<br /> <br /> Average space marines will often not best assaulty armies in assault. They're not bad at assault, they just won't be better than assault based armies. That being said, You should EXPECT to assault with nids... because that's what they do. So building some competent <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> stuff is not bad. Assaulty <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQs</span> are extremely good. Flamers will do well.  Also... You should charge them if you can. Don't let them charge you. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Go with rockets on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> Squads, the Heavy Bolter is weak compared to the rest and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> is not going to really help when there is no vehicles to pop.<br /> <br /> The Dread in the drop pod should have a heavy flamer and either an assault cannon or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span> is really bad in this regard. Ironclads with a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> or even a Hurricane Bolter (this being the one time I would think of taking it) is a better choice. Also because of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span> rules, a Venerable is slightly better as you can dodge destroyed rolls, but the cost makes it quite difficult to field.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Re-reading this.. you might want to go shooting dreadnaught...as opposed to one with a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(20);'>CCW</span>. Monsterous creatures get <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(1);'>2d6</span> to pen so... I'd suggest not fighting against them in melee, but rather field a rifleman dread. ]]></description>
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				<title>Re:First 1500 pt SM army...</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Just my thoughts: You'll get more out of fielding a Secondary <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>(Librarian, Chaplain, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MotF</span>) than you will with a Chapter Master/Captain mix.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:11:03]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Your Friend Doctor Robert]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'd drop the Chapter Master, and buy a Vindicator for the bugs, nice way to handle hordes. A <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span> isn't too bad either when it comes to slaiyng hordes, but its got problems regarding long term endurance and vehicles.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hmmm...in my experiences with tyranids, having a devestator squad with plasma cannons and missile launchers gave me an edge since with the missile you can take them out from afar or if they get too close let them say hello to your plasma cannons, but then again it may end in a disaster with the plasma cannon if they are not used right.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 1 Apr 2011 23:21:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ avondale]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Or you can run this!!!<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> <br /> Cap, Bike, Artificer armour, Hammer - 180 <br /> <br /> Elites <br /> Sterguard, 5 combi-flamers, Razor - 190 <br /> <br /> Troops <br /> Bike squad, attack bike, 2 meltagun, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> - 160 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>, Razor - 220 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>, Razor - 220 <br /> <br /> Fast Attack <br /> Scout biker, 3 grenade launchers, clster mines, meltabomb - 115 <br /> Scout biker, 3 grenade launchers, clster mines, meltabomb - 115 <br /> <br /> Heavy Support <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span> - 100 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span> - 100 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span> - 100 <br /> <br /> Total: 1500pts <br /> <br /> This list has more boom boom then dakka dakka <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>LOL</span>.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Sorry not trying to highjack!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:05:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Rex-Nine]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Rex-Nine wrote:</cite>Or you can run this!!!<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> <br /> Cap, Bike, Artificer armour, Hammer - 180 <br /> <br /> Elites <br /> Sterguard, 5 combi-flamers, Razor - 190 <br /> <br /> Troops <br /> Bike squad, attack bike, 2 meltagun, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>MM</span> - 160 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>, Razor - 220 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>, Razor - 220 <br /> <br /> Fast Attack <br /> Scout biker, 3 grenade launchers, clster mines, meltabomb - 115 <br /> Scout biker, 3 grenade launchers, clster mines, meltabomb - 115 <br /> <br /> Heavy Support <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span> - 100 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span> - 100 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(420);'>TFC</span> - 100 <br /> <br /> Total: 1500pts <br /> <br /> This list has more boom boom then dakka dakka <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>LOL</span>.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Sorry not trying to highjack!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I just can't see this list working. Doesn't this get picked apart? Sorry I'm not seeing anything but fail here.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Inquisitor_Dunn]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Inquisitor_Dunn wrote:</cite>I just can't see this list working. Doesn't this get picked apart? Sorry I'm not seeing anything but fail here.<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote> Just give it a try!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Wow that would get picked apart my marines would love to sink their teeth into that.<br /> Try troops something like <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> squad with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ml</span> and flamer in a rhino times 2 maybe a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>mm</span> flamer squad <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>mm</span> dread is always useful <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>hf</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(330);'>mm</span> speeders are really effective really good for hordes and anti tank. <br /> Assault termies in a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>lr</span> rather than those other termies that you have and put them in a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>lr</span> of some sort.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ cowpow16]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well my strategy is to use my scouts to flank his army and teleport the termies in.... I am leaning towards assault termies because they would be able to clean up objectives without taking them.... Drop the dread behind his lines and use the rest of my troops to hold/objectives and slowly pick apart his army from a distance. I want to keep the Chapter master for orbital bombarment to clear out some before the game really gets going. So should I switch my Captain for something else....<br /> <br /> From what I have gleaned... Definitely switching to all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span> no vehicles to pop...]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 4 Apr 2011 15:16:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Battle_Brother_Bruening]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Here is an updated list<br /> <br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>'s</b><br /> *<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> Chapter Master-- Storm Bolter, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span><br /> <i>165 pts</i><br /> <br /> *<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> Librarian- Jump Pack<br /> <i>125 pts</i><br /> <br /> <b>Troops</b><br /> * Tact Squad Alpha-- FLMR, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, CHNSWD, Rhino<br /> <i>205 pts</i><br /> <br /> *Tact Squad Beta- FLMR, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>, CHNSWD, Rhino<br /> <i>205 pts</i><br /> <br /> *Tact Squad Gamma- FLMR, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>, CHNSWD<br /> <i>180 pts</i><br /> <br /> *Scout Squad-- 4x SNPR, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span> w/ Hellfire, camo-cloaks, homer<br /> <i>103 pts</i><br /> <br /> <b>Fast</b><br /> *Assault Squad-- <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span><br /> <i>115 pts</i><br /> <br /> <b>Elites</b><br /> *Termies-- <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span><br /> <i>230 pts</i><br /> <br /> *Dread- <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>-- Deathwind<br /> <i>180pts</i><br /> <br /> TOTAL PTS: <i>1508</i><br /> <br /> I included a libby to help work on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span>'s and Zoanthropes and support the assualt marines, and the two tact squads have <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span>'s and the third has a lascannon for the long range shots. Based on what models I have available.... is this a better list?]]></description>
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