http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/65.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 40k. but have figs & want to play, so i need help deciding what army to play im torn between the new grey knights,orks,csms,and imperial guard help please ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635070.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635070.page GMT I find orks a bit restraining. You see the trick is with orks is to theme your army around one unit, some players just get loads of orks, some get a load of battlewagon tanks to transport the orks into the foe, etc. But that means you should stick to that theme, also try to get orks into close combat.
with CSM you can dabble a bit more, they're mostly shooty, but have some powerful assault units too.
Guards are always shooty, if you like tanks, cannons, and massed infantry fire, this is for you.
Grey knight have more complicated rules, but when you get used to them, they can be the strongest army in the game, have nearly no weakness. But you can sometimes end up with stick from other players for using an army Games Workshop are so biased about.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635148.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635148.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635171.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635171.page GMT CSM and Orks, my friend plays Guard.

CSM is my favorite, because you can make an army that does effectively assault, although they are mostly shooty.

Orks, as I've found, are the cheapest if you compare price ($) with the amount of models you get, but they need to be in close combat to do anything. (I have two squads of 30 that lose 30-50% of their number before I get them into CC.) Orks have Ballistic Skill 2, so they're not so great for shooting.

Also, Guard are, like zilegil said, purely shooty. They get tanks up the wazoo, but their infantry is pretty bad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635339.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635339.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635396.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635396.page GMT CC guard can be done. Check out some of the battle reports by a guy called Ailaros here on Dakka if you want some ideas
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Maybe you can look in a Codex at a local GW. And then decide. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635464.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635539.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635539.page GMT


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any ideas on tyranids cost of army tactics]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635596.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635596.page GMT IG blob if you want to assualt with a Commissar]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635624.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635624.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635655.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635655.page GMT CSM or grey knights.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635736.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2635736.page GMT Welcome to the Dak!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2636670.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2636670.page GMT
I'm personally bias towards GK only because that's what I'm painting now ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2637541.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2637541.page GMT GK]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2638209.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2638209.page GMT The bulk of the army is made up of termies and strike squads, but then you get the lighter specialists such as the ranged purgation squads, the GK equivalent to devastator marines, and the assaulty and fast interceptors, GK equivalent of the marine assault squad. You probably guessed that though.
So, they are pretty much marines only stronger and more assault based. They form small armies. I've played a lot of marine players and I can tell you that a tactical squad can take a lot of punishment to get rid of, Grey knights give marines a rather offensive air, paired with marine armor save, makes them pretty deadly.
From what I have heard, they are good at fighting orks and deamons mostly. They have no knowen weakness, short of plasma weapons, and power swords.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2639057.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2639057.page GMT CSMs. There SMs so soak up most of your enemies fire, but still shoot and assault beautifully and versatilely. Also, they get loads of extra cool rules and psychic powers, and are easy but good to paint and convert. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2639308.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2639308.page GMT
To start with, I'd head down to your nearest Games Workshop and talk to the Staff Members there. They can answer all your questions regarding Grey Knights - and the game in general - and also make some suggestions as to what you should purchase first, to get your Grey Knight army on the road.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2639377.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2639377.page GMT GWs nerby yet any ideas how to start for noobs speak up GK veterans please and tell me if this is way off topic and i need to start a new thread. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2639514.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2639514.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2639881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2639881.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2639954.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2639954.page GMT
Do you have Codex: Grey Knights?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2639994.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2639994.page GMT GWS very soon but can't in the nearest time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2640002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2640002.page GMT
Click.

See if you like any of those.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2640037.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2640037.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2644232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2644232.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2647063.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2647063.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2651005.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2651005.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2681014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2681014.page GMT
I know they're not an option that you listed but perhaps one to consider.

If you're looking to stick with the options that you listed I'd edge towards GK, purely as I think the miniatures are just that bit cooler than the others. You'll never have as many units on the table top but you'll be able to a damned site more damage with them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2682846.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2682846.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2683397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/358357/2683397.page GMT