necronsftw wrote:IMO the razorbacks are too many points other than that, it looks quite solid.

SomaRukido wrote:Thanks

Yeah, the Dreadknight will probably deepstrike, and kill some footsloggers with that heavy incinerator, and then use the daemon hammer/dccw to wreck some enemy tanks. I'm not sure, but if the dreadknight uses hammerhand wouldn't that be a str 14 daemon hammer?

targetawg wrote:

SomaRukido wrote:Thanks

Yeah, the Dreadknight will probably deepstrike, and kill some footsloggers with that heavy incinerator, and then use the daemon hammer/dccw to wreck some enemy tanks. I'm not sure, but if the dreadknight uses hammerhand wouldn't that be a str 14 daemon hammer?

No, max strength is always 10.

But, you're 10 + 2d6 for being a monstrous creature...that should be enough.

SomaRukido wrote:

targetawg wrote:

SomaRukido wrote:Thanks

Yeah, the Dreadknight will probably deepstrike, and kill some footsloggers with that heavy incinerator, and then use the daemon hammer/dccw to wreck some enemy tanks. I'm not sure, but if the dreadknight uses hammerhand wouldn't that be a str 14 daemon hammer?

No, max strength is always 10.

But, you're 10 + 2d6 for being a monstrous creature...that should be enough.

yeah strength 10 is enough to kill just about everything
it would be strength 10 even without hammerhand though right?


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kenshin620 wrote:Why does the Knight have a daemonhammer? You lose I4 just to have an extra stun ability and you have to pay a bit extra, not worth it imo

Daemon hammer is only 10 points, and it says in the codex that the knight strikes at normal initiative with the daemon hammer, plus it can pretty much destroy every vehicle in the game

Luna Havoc wrote:Yeah, there doesn't seem to be a point in the hammer, really.

DogOfWar wrote:

Luna Havoc wrote:Yeah, there doesn't seem to be a point in the hammer, really.

The FAQ will be interesting because one can assume the fists do not double STR (for various reasons, one being what would be the point of Hammerhand?). Logically, so the points makes sense, I anticipate the FAQ will give you the following options for your Dreadknights:

1) Doomfists - matched pair gives +1 attack, ignores armour saves, force weapon, does NOT double STR, strikes at I4.
2) Daemon Hammer - doubles STR, adds stun effect, ignores armour saves, force weapon, strikes at I4.
3) Greatsword - rerolls failed hits, wounds, armour penetration, ignores armour saves, force weapon, strikes at I4.
4) REALLY BIG NEMESIS HALBERD - ignores armour saves, force weapon, +2I.

(Well... maybe not #4.)

DoW

DogOfWar wrote:True enough.

While GW isn't known for logic, a 10 point upgrade for something that grants the model -1 attack, and the ability to stun vehicles/cause models to strike at I1 next turn is a bit silly if it isn't the only way to also double the bearer's strength.

DoW

FlingitNow wrote:Yeah dump the pointless Daemon Hammer you're paying points to become worse...

Why Las/plas on the Razorbacks? Given that everyone is totting multiple powerweapon attacks do you need the extra anti-heavy infantry fire? I'd say no. Given that you'll be going forward so the squads can use their psycannons and CC ability do you need the range on the solo LC? Again I'd say no. So why haven't you gone for the Psycannon back? Superior Anti-light to medium infantry and superior anti-tank and range matched to the squads you're transporting.

True enough.

While GW isn't known for logic, a 10 point upgrade for something that grants the model -1 attack, and the ability to stun vehicles/cause models to strike at I1 next turn is a bit silly if it isn't the only way to also double the bearer's strength.

If they bother FaQing it you'll still get the bonus attack, just like a dread with Seismic hammer and DCCW so you're paying 10 points for the auto-stun (still not worth it). You'll be double strength with 4 attacks unless you take the sword and then S6 with 4 attacks re-rolling everything.

SomaRukido wrote:

FlingitNow wrote:Yeah dump the pointless Daemon Hammer you're paying points to become worse...

Why Las/plas on the Razorbacks? Given that everyone is totting multiple powerweapon attacks do you need the extra anti-heavy infantry fire? I'd say no. Given that you'll be going forward so the squads can use their psycannons and CC ability do you need the range on the solo LC? Again I'd say no. So why haven't you gone for the Psycannon back? Superior Anti-light to medium infantry and superior anti-tank and range matched to the squads you're transporting.

True enough.

While GW isn't known for logic, a 10 point upgrade for something that grants the model -1 attack, and the ability to stun vehicles/cause models to strike at I1 next turn is a bit silly if it isn't the only way to also double the bearer's strength.

If they bother FaQing it you'll still get the bonus attack, just like a dread with Seismic hammer and DCCW so you're paying 10 points for the auto-stun (still not worth it). You'll be double strength with 4 attacks unless you take the sword and then S6 with 4 attacks re-rolling everything.

If you're telling me to use psycannons on the razorback, its not a weapon option for them to take...i do las/plas because its two guns for the price of one twin linked gun, and is good anti tank or anti heavy infantry
i guess ill drop the daemonhammer on the knight, even though i still think it would be a pretty nice thing to have, and idk why everyone is against, the only downside to having it is not getting the bonus attack for being on the charge

Magister187 wrote:Assault Cannon + Psybolt Ammo = Psycannon.

auto stun would help with a lot of armies at my flgs though

FlingitNow wrote:

auto stun would help with a lot of armies at my flgs though

Not really as with S10 and 2d6 armour pen you should wreck any tank you touch with 5 attacks (on the charge). Why pay points to make yourself worse (4 attacks with autostun is worse than 5 attacks)?

i still like the las/plas better, seems more tank killy to me,and its helped me out of a lot of situations, but ill try it both ways and see what i like better

Against AV14 1 Psycannon = 2.67 Lascannons. So against AV14 a Psycannonback is better than a Landraider Godhammer!! Still think your solo-untwinlinked Lascannon is more tank killy?

FlingitNow wrote:Possibly dump the dread Knight for another Psyfleman Dread that saves you 25 points.