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So I'm a Warmachine baby (been playing for a week) and wanted to post my first idea for a list. So the thought for it is a legion of heavy Jacks all clustering around and benefitting from Butcher's Full Throttle. I spend the first turn out of range and cast +3Damage, -1 ARM on all 3 jacks, and just pay upkeep and 3 focus for Full Throttle until I get stuck in combat. Honestly I don't even need to give all 3 Jacks the damage ability. Either way, here's the list:

pButcher

Decimator
Juggernaut
Destroyer

Dog

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20pts.

Thoughts? Thanks all.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2684339.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2684339.page GMT Re:Khador Jack Heavy 20pts ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2684372.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2684372.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2684475.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2684475.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts
butcher wants meele jacks wth him
How about
for 15 point
Butcher
3x Juggernaut, this would benefit from full throttle more

Fury is -1 DEF, not ARM, you can add 5 point of something
how about some infantry ? Like Man o War? they can screen butcher

If you really want to run jack legion, Karchev is very much the answer to the problem, He is made to run jacks, giving very little to the infantry, all the while making our jacks godly]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2684901.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2684901.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts
Retrias wrote:


If you really want to run jack legion, Karchev is very much the answer to the problem, He is made to run jacks, giving very little to the infantry, all the while making our jacks godly


And he is a jack ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2685876.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2685876.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2686478.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2686478.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts IG.

Also the reason I'm keen on a Decimator is because I play against Cryx a lot, and his auto-hit ability is really useful against high Def models. Thoughts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2687226.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2687226.page GMT Re:Khador Jack Heavy 20pts DEF as all your warjacks melee attacks will be boosted.

It will also free up two points for more models. With so many warjacks you could look into some Battle Mechanics or a Koldun Lord. You will also likely have 5 points to fill as most people will tend to play 25 points over 20.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2687262.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2687262.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts
Soladrin wrote:
Retrias wrote:


If you really want to run jack legion, Karchev is very much the answer to the problem, He is made to run jacks, giving very little to the infantry, all the while making our jacks godly


And he is a jack


I would say that the best way to describe Karchev is that

" Ummm He is Juggernaut, who is also a warcaster, who power attack for free and have a spray"

Karchev statline is basically
-1 arm
+2 defense
+1 MAT and RAT
loses Crit Freeze
Gain Reach and magical weapon
and Spray

Beyond all this He is basically a living Juggernaut who have focus and cast spell]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2688367.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2688367.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts
Belerephon wrote:The Jacks I chose to use are really just there because those are the ones I have. Right now the only thing I have is the battle box, and I'm just looking to expand. I don't want to run Karchev because I don't feel like spending that kind of dough on a Warcaster. Warmachine is kind of a side project for me, with most of my resources devoted to my IG.

Also the reason I'm keen on a Decimator is because I play against Cryx a lot, and his auto-hit ability is really useful against high Def models. Thoughts?


The problem with the decimator is that he still has to land his first hit, and most of cryx's models (save for heavy jacks) are going to go down on that first hit anyway. With a jugg - you save points, get an extra attack to hit with, and your main weapon is more powerful meaning you are going to drop the heavy cryx jacks alot quicker.

I just think that a destroyer fills the same role but does it better due to it's aoe, which can be very handy against the cryx swarms and against the high DEF Ret infantry. A big issue is that the decimator still has RAT 4, so it is going to miss even mediocre DEF models often. it also drains focus, since you really need to spend 3 focus on it's gun every turn to make it anywhere near effective.


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Karchev is basically a warjack with all of the positives of being one (power attacks, tons of health boxes, powerful attacks etc etc) but none of the downsides (suffering cortex damage, limited to 3 focus, must stay in ctrl range to be effective etc) save for being a large model.

I think I read somewhere that there are three types of models in this game.

Warriors.
Warjacks.
Karchev.


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Honestly, I think you should just download vassal and play test the decimator to see if he does what you want. Just make sure you test several other jacks in place of it to see what works best.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2690925.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2690925.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts MAT 6, he is not hitting without boosting anyway
and you then have to buy new attacks, which is the same deal with other jacks

Decimator is "bad" Torch on the other hand is "good"
because it had everything the decimator need

Virtuoso
Gunfighter
three weapons
Higher Rat and Mat
and Immunity to fire and corrosion

Butcher Full Throttle and juggernaut makes a better hitter than A Decimator ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2692021.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2692021.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2693251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2693251.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts
Kodiak when hitting with both weapons, can make a power attack for FREE, it can run for FREE

Run Kodiak, Juggernaut, Berserker(to fill six point, or you can take MOW) and Butcher

That list is scary... but less scary than three jugernaut going down the field]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2693267.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2693267.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2694672.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2694672.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2694721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2694721.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2694940.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2694940.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2695218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2695218.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts
So yes, often the free run will be wasted with the Butcher. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2695275.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2695275.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2695798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2695798.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2696669.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2696669.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts

pButcher -6
Juggernaut 7
Destroyer 9
Kodiak 8
Reavers 6
War Dog 1
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2698979.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2698979.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2699014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2699014.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2701058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2701058.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2702237.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2702237.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts You Destroyer wouldn't do anything much, it have ONE meele attack which mean It would only benefit from one booster roll from Full throttle, You won't run or charge with a destroyer.
But your list is your list, you are very much welcome to use it as you wish.

I would buy either the Reaver UA or Fenris if you want to use the Doom Reaver, near essential there ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2710839.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2710839.page GMT Khador Jack Heavy 20pts
Retrias wrote:Meh just a suggestion then, The battlebox is so out of my preference that I didn't start with them
You Destroyer wouldn't do anything much, it have ONE meele attack which mean It would only benefit from one booster roll from Full throttle, You won't run or charge with a destroyer.
But your list is your list, you are very much welcome to use it as you wish
It can snipe troublesome solos and provide a fine screen for the Butcher; don't write off the Destroyer just yet. You are right in that it will benefit little from the Butcher's Full Throttle.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2711244.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/361600/2711244.page GMT