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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? Lizardmen have: stegadon, normally scar vet, chameleon skinks, lots of saurus
Bretonnians have: too many knights, 2 trebuchets]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2690276.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2690276.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered?
A wizard.

A shadow wizard could cause serious problems for those armies. Pit of Shades is a great spell that you may not always get, but if you do can cause serious trouble for them. It instantly kills trebuchets and has a 1/3 chance [or better, if the stegadon is I1] of killing steggie. Works great on saurus too.

Did the battleforce come with a cannon? It should work great for killing both the stegadon and the trebuchets. Don't waste it on the knights, they get a ward save against it.

As for the knights, they're not that great after they charge. Try a large unit of fanatics, which are unbreakable, or just make sure you have a VERY large unit of spearmen or swordsmen, such that you have more ranks than the bretonnians [who will usually only have 2 maybe 3] and will be stubborn. Then you can charge in the side with some knights of your own, or a steam tank [risky, with that trebuchet around].

That's what I'd recommend. Make sure you get a wizard, bulk up your main infantry unit, and get a unit of knights. Even just 5 can make a big difference coming in the flank.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2690727.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2690727.page GMT Re:Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered?
Another option option could be outriders. Normally they are so-so. In low point games however, they can be of great use. Enemy shooting is the bane of outriders. They will be effective against Brets and Vamps, but could easily be taken out by skinks. They are not as good as a wizard, or maybe even a mortar or two, but they could still prove useful.

Hope that helps,

-Jim]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2690922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2690922.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2690987.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2690987.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered?
You take a lord at 1000 points? Do all your friends?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2691632.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2691632.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? mc on 2+ with D3 Wounds and no armor) on him and a level 2 battle wizard, a templar grand master with a runefang leading a unit of the inner circle knights (4 Strength), a unit of 20 swordsmen, 10 handgunners, and 20 halberdiers. my standard army. I was thinking about taking the wizard with the armor of tarnus and a mount, and giving him the lore of beasts so that he can join the grand master's unit and give him extremely broken bonuses,]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2692053.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2692053.page GMT Re:Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered?
-Jim]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2692219.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2692219.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? I'd say take any warmachine thats not hellblaster.
BSB is essential, especially for Empire and their average leadership.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2693633.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2693633.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2699156.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2699156.page GMT Re:Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered?
-Jim]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2699508.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2699508.page GMT Re:Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? WoC ect) it is a sign of the apocalypse (Brets have a 2+ save, dropped to 4+, so statistically half of the wounds get through), and I swear by theheart of my army, 20gunners with 2 detachments of 10 Handgunners. Have you ever though of investing in a Hellblaster, its a risky choice but the empire is built on risk and reward tactics, and my local WoC player (former Bret player) shivers everytime I even mention the machine. Nwe have some of the best (and dangerous) machines in the game, use them and watch your enemy cry as 20 str 5 hits slaughter your enemies knights.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2699678.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2699678.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered?

MEQ Breaker wrote:he can't? I saw on the website one example army that one of the game designers took(the all-mounted one) had a grand master with runefang. I thought then that when it says "general only" it was refering to the official general, not the character type. you know, the character with the highest leadership is the general of your army.

It says "General of the Empire only", so only they can take them.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2699922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2699922.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2703772.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2703772.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? Against brets, who deploy deep with knights and run trebs, they are great.
Against lizards with fairly expensive infantry, steggadons, and/or salamanders, they are great.
Against VC, just drop shots through the general each round until he fails the look out.
Check ebay, cannons are usually dirt cheap.

-Matt]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2703839.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2703839.page GMT Re:Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? . I usually have to field a gunline to even stay in the game, but thats because I have to deal with WoC, Ogres, Vampire Counts (Gouls and Grave Guard oriented) and a whole lot of other nasty stuff. When I field a Templar Grand Master, I give him the Sord of Fate, Armour of Destiny and the Seed of Rebirth (2+ Save, 4+ save then a 6+ save hehe) and send him and his inner circle with great weapons or lances racing towards whatever the swords after in that match, usually their top caster or general (has your captain ever drunk a potion of speed and killed a vamp lord without him getting a wound or attack in... its nice).
But if your playing fair, I say a huge block of halberdiers (30 minimum, 3 deep 10 wide) with a warrior priest for the hate rerolls. If you use a shadow wizard in support, you can also drop the enemies int to two or lower so you hit first. Thats 34 rerollable str 4 hits for less than 250 pts, give them a detachment of gunners or somthing to break a charge, then either more halberdiers or free company to hurt the ranks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2703898.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2703898.page GMT Re:Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered?

Sanctus-Malas wrote: I give him the Sord of Fate, Armour of Destiny and the Seed of Rebirth (2+ Save, 4+ save then a 6+ save hehe)

You cant take both ward and regen this edition.
I'd personally go with Holy Relic and Laurels of Victory with full mundane armor plus a lance or GW. Dont really run Grand Master often though, I'd prefer support oriented Empire heroes over combat ones.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2704814.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2704814.page GMT Re:Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered?

You cant take both ward and regen this edition.

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the link should take you to the battle report. I didn't change my list because I just wanted to see what would happen if I used the one I planned to use earlier. didn't work out too well...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2712619.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2712619.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2715057.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2715057.page GMT Re:Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered?
The captain is a nice option for a general who is short on points, but even at this point value the warrior priest truly shines. He may cost more points, but he is sort of a force multiplier.

If models are a concern, you could always get creative with some green stuff and make yourself a dual purpose model. A bit of a hood, or some scrolls/books could do the trick.

-Jim]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2716101.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2716101.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? no runefang
no magic-spam
I'm not going to spread out my army in order to take him on in man vs. man-eating dinosaur in 1-to-1 combat
And I'm not going to get shot to death from a distance: after all, I'm an empire player...

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meanwhile I want a little bit of advice for taking care of bretonnians; should I use a wizard with the lore of metal? should I use blocks of infantry? or match his knights with my own?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2718643.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2718643.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2718764.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2718764.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? by the way, I am still playing the game, but the gunline army is working perfectly. here's the list:
20 hand gunners, full command, hochland long rifle: 200
Master Engineer: 65
Great cannon: 100
Helblaster Volley gun: 110
8 knights, lances and shields, full comand, standard of arcane warding: 254
Templar grand master, obsidian amulet: 175
Lvl 2 battle wizard, lore of fire: 100 flame storm, fireball
1004 points

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Turn 4 or 5, gc and 5 knights died, but that's it. he's down to a scar vet and 12 saurus, with my knights in combat with them and the rest of my army aiming at them, waiting to see what happens...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2719386.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2719386.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? MR to the knight unit she is in, she will also be started in the second rank. Depending if she is a lord or hero choice she will give a MR of 1 or 2, so that unit's ward vs magic will be between a 5+ and a 3+. So your own magic might not work well there, just tie them down in combat or charge them and you will be fine. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2723899.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2723899.page GMT Re:Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered?
Against the Brets, it goes without saying that you shoul use the Lore of Metal, make them fry in their own armour. If you want to deal with the Damsel, 3 words, Hochland Long Rifle. It will take a few turns but she will die eventually (especially if its a Outrider Champion behind the scope). Then there is also cannons, lots of cannons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2724033.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2724033.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq8fiKx3dR8
against bretonnians I will use 2 or 3 cannons to fire at knights and trebuchets, as well as a wizard with the lore of metal, and several blocks of infantry with heros inside. maybe a unit of knights with the one banner that gives flaming attacks, strike fear into those annoying knights. If I get outriders, then I will use them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2724258.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2724258.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2737726.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2737726.page GMT Empire; how can I NOT get slaughtered?
I like the direction you're going, personally. I'm a fan of the State army...State Troops, Greatswords, Knights...
As much as I like the religious aspect of the Empire (Flagellants, Warrior Priests, Arch Lectors), I'm going to stay away from those for a little while, and focus on the regular guys first.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2738820.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/362058/2738820.page GMT