Grey Knight Luke wrote:I guess it depends on the local meta. DoA should get destroyed by Tau players (with so much shooting, DoA coming in piecemeal, there probably wont be a whole lot to shoot at). If your FLGS has a mostly infantry meta then ya DoA is serious hurt. But if everyone is meched up and shooty, DoA gets a lot harder.

Grey Knight Luke wrote:All DS armies come in piecemeal. So you get 75% of your stuff on the board, great! that stuff can shoot you for a turn. If its an extremely shooty army (Tau, DE, IG) then you probably have much less than 75% of your stuff left. All I really meant is that it is hard to DS on a gunline or shooting army. Adding in dreads helps but then just allows the player to shoot his anti tank weapons at something.

Lord_Osma wrote: I know this is going to make me very unpopular among my fellow BA players, but I don't get the appeal of playing a DOA list other than to win. It seems so boring to be in command of. I like having a variety of units and vehicles and it's the entire reason I got into BA was because of all the unit options I had.

Everyone at my local GW does not want to play my BA because they assume I run a DOA list and all the BA hate it leads to makes me even less inclined to look further into the appeal of DOA lists.


Are there any other Blood Angels player sick of seeing the same list posted repeatedly? Assault marines with melta and sang guard with jp and 2 libby with jp? I see the same list over and over and I know Mech BA is big too, but I don't see it half as much.

I guess I am either looking for other people who are sick of DOA, and if they play BA as well, even better...or can someone who plays DOA outside of tournaments please explain to me where the fun in that list is , and winning can't be why.

Amaya wrote:

Grey Knight Luke wrote:All DS armies come in piecemeal. So you get 75% of your stuff on the board, great! that stuff can shoot you for a turn. If its an extremely shooty army (Tau, DE, IG) then you probably have much less than 75% of your stuff left. All I really meant is that it is hard to DS on a gunline or shooting army. Adding in dreads helps but then just allows the player to shoot his anti tank weapons at something.

And I'm dropping in Assault Squads /w 2x Meltaguns, Dreadnaughts /w Meltaguns and Frag Cannons.

I get to shoot first, a lot of your stuff is going to be dead.

Grey Knight Luke wrote:

Amaya wrote:

Grey Knight Luke wrote:All DS armies come in piecemeal. So you get 75% of your stuff on the board, great! that stuff can shoot you for a turn. If its an extremely shooty army (Tau, DE, IG) then you probably have much less than 75% of your stuff left. All I really meant is that it is hard to DS on a gunline or shooting army. Adding in dreads helps but then just allows the player to shoot his anti tank weapons at something.

And I'm dropping in Assault Squads /w 2x Meltaguns, Dreadnaughts /w Meltaguns and Frag Cannons.

I get to shoot first, a lot of your stuff is going to be dead.

Good players can depoly well enough to stop this from happening. It really isnt that hard.

Amaya wrote:

Grey Knight Luke wrote:

Amaya wrote:

Grey Knight Luke wrote:All DS armies come in piecemeal. So you get 75% of your stuff on the board, great! that stuff can shoot you for a turn. If its an extremely shooty army (Tau, DE, IG) then you probably have much less than 75% of your stuff left. All I really meant is that it is hard to DS on a gunline or shooting army. Adding in dreads helps but then just allows the player to shoot his anti tank weapons at something.

And I'm dropping in Assault Squads /w 2x Meltaguns, Dreadnaughts /w Meltaguns and Frag Cannons.

I get to shoot first, a lot of your stuff is going to be dead.

Good players can depoly well enough to stop this from happening. It really isnt that hard.

Really, you can deploy so perfectly that I can't shoot at anything? What tables have you been playing on?

Grey Knight Luke wrote:
I promise that I can deploy well enough that you are out of 2d6 melta range for all the models that I actually care about (if you kill a chimera or two, or some other transport who really cares). Correct me if I am wrong but I think the term is castling and its pretty effective against DS armies of any kind.

So yes, I castle up, you DS, kill a few transports maybe, then I shoot with the best part of my armies (sometimes if you pop a transport, there might be really bad things inside that can eat you, keep that in mind as well). DoA is problematic at best against mech.

Ronin wrote:

Grey Knight Luke wrote:
I promise that I can deploy well enough that you are out of 2d6 melta range for all the models that I actually care about (if you kill a chimera or two, or some other transport who really cares). Correct me if I am wrong but I think the term is castling and its pretty effective against DS armies of any kind.

So yes, I castle up, you DS, kill a few transports maybe, then I shoot with the best part of my armies (sometimes if you pop a transport, there might be really bad things inside that can eat you, keep that in mind as well). DoA is problematic at best against mech.

Blood Lance and Vanguard Vets would like to have a word with you.

Grey Knight Luke wrote:DoA lists aren't winning major tournaments. They are not the most competative lists. Give me any major tournament that DoA has won. How many has a Mech IG, or a mech SW won?

Grey Knight Luke wrote:no, blood lance is a legitimate strat against castling. The entire point of my argument when I brought up castling is that mech provides stronger builds than DoA, as has been my whole point during this thread (see my comment at the begining). Foot armies and pure deepstrike armies are hard to run in the current environment. This shows when at all major tournaments mech is winning.

Amaya wrote:

Grey Knight Luke wrote:no, blood lance is a legitimate strat against castling. The entire point of my argument when I brought up castling is that mech provides stronger builds than DoA, as has been my whole point during this thread (see my comment at the begining). Foot armies and pure deepstrike armies are hard to run in the current environment. This shows when at all major tournaments mech is winning.

And you couldn't even run DoA at large tournaments because IG could just cheese and shoot deep strikers up until the GK codex came out.

Shovan wrote:
It's funny. I sometimes will run a DoA list and whenever my friend sets up his deployment and then asks why I haven't put anything on the table I just smile and tell him everything is in reserve. At point I get told how lame that is for the rest of the game.