<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/16.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. SM Scout Biker arms from a seperate conversion. I know that Creed carries a pair of Hot-Shot laspistols, so why not do it as an upgrade, under the same special rules implemented on that weapon?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2715799.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2715799.page GMT Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2717269.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2717269.page GMT Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2717915.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2717915.page GMT Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants.
loota boy wrote:It would just be an upgrade like bolt pistols. It isn't worth 5 points, so you have to make it something weird, like 2 or 3 points, which steers players away from it. And it doesn't really increase damage output, at least not a noticable amount. All it does is make rolls more tedious and annoying. But to each their own, I suppose. I'm fairly sure that a sporting player would let you house rule it.

I'll do some play testing through the idea next time I'm at my GW. If it's not very good, too good, ect., I'll just say the other one counts as a chainsword as it's jammed permanently or something ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2718281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2718281.page GMT Re:Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2718289.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2718289.page GMT Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2718448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2718448.page GMT Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. DE book]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2719302.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2719302.page GMT Re:Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants.
Now, my take on this is that each of my sergeants have a Bolt Pistol in one hand and a Plasma Pistol in the other, getting the +1 Attack bonus and letting me choose between something dangerous but powerful and something safe but average.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2726030.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2726030.page GMT Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2728352.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2728352.page GMT Re:Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. 40k universe due to its effectiveness. It makes particular sense with Laspistols, where the very high magcap(30 shots per charge pack) makes it more practical than most modern pistols. Bolt and Stub weapons make less sense, but it's reasonable a Space Marine Sergeant could pick up the skills to use a pair of pistols easily.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2728963.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2728963.page GMT Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants.
The ones who use two pistols as twin-linked specifically train with it as their sole method of fighting their entire careers.

Accurately handling two pistols at the same time is not an easy thing to master, it's DRAMATICALLY easier to handle just one.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2728975.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2728975.page GMT Re:Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2729231.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2729231.page GMT Re:Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants.
Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:There's not a single thing that specifies a Sergeant can't train with two pistols.
So? There's not a single thing that says an Ork can't train to become BS4. There's not a single thing that says an Eldar can't be I2 because s/he got an injury somewhere. There's not a single thing that says a human can't have MEQ if plot demands it. There's not a single thing saying that someone in the Inquisition hasn't secretly been trying to develop female space marines. There's not a single thing saying that Marneus Calgar isn't gay and secretly having a mancrush on Leman Russ, either.

If you want to justify your own little mary-sue chapter having special abilities above and beyond that of normal, that's your prerogative, doesn't mean I'm gonna agree with it. Again, this is a special ability given only to those who train their entire careers in it, not something some dinky little spehss muhreen sarge specializes in. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2730096.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2730096.page GMT Re:Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants.
That said, using two pistols just makes you look like a complete douche. Especially a space marine who is his own perfect weapon, bolt pistols and such merely tools. If you give one two bolt pistols, it will detract from that image and make him appear somehow reliant on them. There's no way a squad would listen to a wimp like him. At least that's how I see it. It says in the codex, only one pistol per marine, probably.

It's not like it really matters though, it's just one re-rolled bolt pistol shot. If you want to pay 5pts for that, be my guest. If your dude wants to roll out (of the closet) like that I'd let you do it for free but honestly it's probably more useful to just count the two pistols as one bolter, or separate ccws.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2738290.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2738290.page GMT Re:Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants.

On a more serious note. It is an interesting rule and have been tempted to do something similar myself. Personally though, I think a plama pistol (or infernus pistol for you BA players) should count as a power weapon. And maybe increase the cost to 20pts for the pistol.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2738430.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2738430.page GMT Re:Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants.
Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:Actually, at least in the case of Space Marine Sergeants, this would be free. Why? Simple. Codex: Space Marines has several units which can change their default Bolter or Chainsword for a Bolt Pistol for free. Since the Bolter And Chainsword seem to be valued equally with the bolt pistol, you should be able to swap them both out to grant a Twin Linked Bolt Pistol.

Now, my take on this is that each of my sergeants have a Bolt Pistol in one hand and a Plasma Pistol in the other, getting the +1 Attack bonus and letting me choose between something dangerous but powerful and something safe but average.


most space marines always have a bolt pistol and either a close combat weapon OR a bolter. By your logic a bolter is equal to a close combat weapon....

it a trade. +1 attack vs a better shooting weapon. I would be happy to let you have the twin linked pistol if it didnt grant +1 attack in close combat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2739325.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2739325.page GMT Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. TL pistol, but i woudl say either sacrifice 1A or no bonus attack when charging.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2742277.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2742277.page GMT Re:Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. MEQs

Bolter/Bolt Pistol

Shooting: 2/3 Chance To hit, 1/2 Chance To wound, 2 shots, equals 2/3 of a wound, on average.

Assault: One Bolt Pistol Shot(2/3 to hit, 1/2 to wound) then 2 CC attacks(on the charge) both hitting and wounding 1/2 the time. 1/6+1/4+1/4=2/3 Chance to wound(same as above)

Bolt Pistol/Chainsword

Shooting: 1/6 Chance to wound(Worse than Bolter and Pistol)

Assault: 1/6(pistol shot)+3 CC, a hit and a half means three quarters of a wound. Total, around 5/6 chance to wound(much better than bolter/bolt pistol)

Twin Pistols:

Shooting: 4/3 Chance to hit(due to re-roll), 1/2 chance to wound. Averages a little over half a wound, rounding to half later on

Assaulting With +1 Attack: 1/2(shooting), 3 attacks makes 3/4 of a would. Total averages 5/4 of a wound(best yet)

Assaulting with only charge bonus: 1/2 Shooting, 2 attacks means 1 hit, half a wound, one wound on average.

Well, anyone who can understand my horridly unclear mathammer gets that Twin Pistols with +1 attack is slightly better than all other choices, whereas Twin Pistols on its own is about balanced with the rest.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2742316.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2742316.page GMT Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. CC attack is roughly equal to all the other free options?

Works for me. Adds a different modelling aspect for people to play with.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2742324.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2742324.page GMT Re:Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2743045.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2743045.page GMT Re:Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. CC is roughly equal to the other two options, so it ought to be free.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2744825.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2744825.page GMT Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2745475.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2745475.page GMT Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants.
Fetterkey wrote:Not necessary. If you really care about that John Woo stuff, model your Sergeant with two laspistols and have it count as a shotgun.


For some reason I originally thought this was about space marine sergeants, which was obviously stupid since it's right there in the title, but now that that's cleared up, this is clearly a flawless solution. I would do this myself if I didn't think a shotgun was cooler.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2745607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2745607.page GMT Re:Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants.
In any case, I'll be doing this for some of my Space Marine Sergeants, and asking the other guy if it's okay. If not, well, it's just a bolt pistol and a chainsword, then.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2747131.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2747131.page GMT Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. cc weapons). I think they look great and, used every now and again, add a little bit of a different look to a squad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2754133.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2754133.page GMT Re:Twin-Linked Pistols as an Upgrade To Veteran Squad Sergeants. TL pistol, I thought of a single pistol with two barrels or something of the sort.

Having an additional pistol should grant an extra shot, not make the pistol TL. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2763996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363674/2763996.page GMT