<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "IG Mortar Teams: any good?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net IG Mortar Teams: any good?
Don't have my BRB on me, but is there something else to barrages, like ignores cover or something?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2717590.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2717590.page GMT Re:IG Mortar Teams: any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2717609.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2717609.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good?
Mortars are a deadly weapon IRL, in 40k not so much though.

Basically you're lobbing a frag missile into the sky, an anti infantry weapon that is completely out shined by all sorts of weapons in the IG arsenal. For 60 points, thats another infantry squad with a power sword, a chimera, almost a hydra, kitting out x2 valks with rocket pods or changing x2 valks to vendettas and the list goes on. Overall yea its cute but unless you have 30 or so mortars, chances are they wont do much]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2717625.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2717625.page GMT Re:IG Mortar Teams: any good? LOS and claim objectives. Almost every player has some kind of static infantry shooting team hiding on the map and frankly with AP6, who cares if its in cover? Keep lobbing cheap mortars at it hoping for a few wounds or a pinning check.

I mentioned in a previous threat how I also think you could use them to protect the flanks of your other artillery, spreading them out along the sides to stop deepstrikers/outflankers from assaulting or shooting the tank without first dealing with the Mortars. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2717710.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2717710.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2717723.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2717723.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good?
odorofdeath wrote:If you like spending points on units that will never kill anything, then go for it. Is it really that hard to spare 15 points to make all those Mortars into Autocannons?


With respect, I feel that comparing Mortars to Autocannons is kind of applesranges.
Is an Autocannon > a mortar? Of course.
Is an Autocannon HWS > a mortar, I would say it depends.

That AC HWS now has to deploy in LOS of something so its easier to kill off then the Mortar HWS. Being for the most part immobile, it also is only able to shoot at what it can draw LOS to during the battle, whereas the Mortars can safely and consistently lob shots almost anywhere on the board.

I think it comes down to if you need more Autocannons or you need more long range anti-infantry.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2717744.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2717744.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718195.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718195.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? MEQ. How often is this going to happen with a full 2d6 deviation from not being able to see your target?

Mortars have never been useful. Just funny, unless you are desperate for long range template fire in an all infantry army.

The Mortar Kombat army is amusing to run though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718366.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718366.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718558.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718558.page GMT Re:IG Mortar Teams: any good? IG troops though. With enough Guardsmen, you will do some damage "sooner or later".
Anyway though, I think that a group of 6 or so mortars would do some damage.

And just a quick question: how many attacks per turn does one mortar team get?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718567.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718567.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? IG infantry player. Sooner or later your Termies will roll 1s. Sooner or later you'll fail your armor save, we just need to keep on piling on lasgunshots and bayonet stabs till you do. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718586.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718586.page GMT Re:IG Mortar Teams: any good?
forruner_mercy wrote:And just a quick question: how many attacks per turn does one mortar team get?


One shot

Not sure if the "Take 15 teams" tactic has any merit. If you were to be in some formation like say 5x3, that would take up an area of 200x120mm if they're base to base. Pretty large area. Not hard to pick off some of the teams and watch them run

If we're going by the "Sooner or later" tactic, it'd probably be more worthwhile to get another infantry squad]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718593.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718593.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718599.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718599.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718601.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718618.page GMT Re:IG Mortar Teams: any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718637.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718637.page GMT Re:IG Mortar Teams: any good?
kenshin620 wrote: Not sure if the "Take 15 teams" tactic has any merit.


Well it has worked out pretty well for me so far, it puts ridiculous amounts of hurt on the horde armies that are oh so common in my area.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718692.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718692.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718707.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718707.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good?
In the case of mortars, it's light infantry. If you play against a lot of Sv5 saves or worse, then they're worth taking, but if you're not, then they're not.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718722.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718730.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718730.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718751.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718751.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? HWTs that can't see the enemy or that die quickly because they are too dangerous to be ignored.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718792.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718792.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? hb, turret ML, Pintle stubber) is funny; and can be somewhat useful in static Vet squads(so you have more specials firing along with the mortar). Mortar, 3 plasmas, and a Plasma pistol is funny, but wasteful of about 15 points(don't personally like plasma pistols as a rule, but guard gets them a little cheaper, and they can get about 2 turns of firing vs most other armies 1; especially out of a Chimera).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718823.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718823.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718832.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718832.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good?
Provided the Chimera hasn't moved of course. Usual rules for firing still apply ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718836.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718836.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718853.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718853.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718918.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718918.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? inside the vehicle. Sorry if I worded it strangely.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718927.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good?
forruner_mercy wrote:I know. This is all sort of hypothetical stuff. I am talking about it literally firing it inside the vehicle. Sorry if I worded it strangely.


The Chimera has a top hatch too. I imagine they would fire it the way they fire mortars out of M113s.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718937.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718937.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718991.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2718991.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? LoS. Or on the shelf.

In larger games, I would take a few if I was stuck for real estate. The point above where they can always shoot, and never need to move, is one of their main strengths. You *can* pin that far-away squad, or make them run with some good rolls, or maybe you won't. Is the chance to make them run or pinned worth their points? Is their defensive style worth the HWT trade-off? All of these factors depend on the rest of your list, and what your opponents are likely to bring. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2719021.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2719021.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good?
They are cheap, and if you get a hit the rules for multiple barrages can make that hit pretty dangerous. But don't overestimate the raw killing power of the weapon, it's still just S4.

I'd much rather have a griffon than a unit of mortar teams.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2719028.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2719028.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good?
The Grog wrote:
I'd much rather have a griffon than a unit of mortar teams.


I was wondering when someone was going to mention that.

Griffon - 75 points, S6 AP4 Ordance barrage, with re-rollable scatter

So for 15 extra points, eff the autocannons, put a griffon behind ur russ line or bulding and laugh as you put down pie plates that can hurt almost anything on foot. In a pinch it can tackle light vehicles thanks to the ordance rule, not to mention it hits on side armour (im pretty sure thats the rule for barrage right?). However, for those who want WYSIWYG, have fun paying foregworld.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2719090.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2719090.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good? HWT's with auto cannons or HB as a defence and the can take pot shots at the enemy from a decent range.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2721008.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/363818/2721008.page GMT IG Mortar Teams: any good?
Commissar Typhus wrote:
The Grog wrote:
I'd much rather have a griffon than a unit of mortar teams.


I was wondering when someone was going to mention that.

Griffon - 75 points, S6 AP4 Ordance barrage, with re-rollable scatter



Griffons are great but I doubt you'll see a lot of them simply because there are other better choices from the Heavy Support section. At the same time, IG has a nearly unlimted selection of troop slots with Platoons so you can always fit in another squad or three.

For example, if given the choice between using Hydras/Mortar squads or Griffons/AC squads I think most people would take the first option.

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