<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Are Dark angels the traitors and Alpha legion the loyalists"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Are Dark angels the traitors and Alpha legion the loyalists http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2726256.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2726256.page GMT Re:Are Dark angels the traitors and Alpha legion the loyalists Alpha Legion is stuck in plans inside plans... So who knows? Certainly examples like Voldorius ( demon prince ) hint at Alphas turning traitor.
Maybe some did not.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2726356.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2726356.page GMT Re:Are Dark angels the traitors and Alpha legion the loyalists 40K, is both the truth and a lie.

Spoiler:
many years ago Gav Thorpe wrote a Dark Angel novel about the Dark Angels. This story has two ongoing narratives which compliment each other, one of which deals with the interrogation of one of the fallen, ie one of the rebel dark Angels who backed Luthor.

He puts forwards an argument that The Lion, whilst perhaps not an agent of chaos as such, kept out of the fighting as much as possible, waiting to see which side was going to win. To ensure the survival of both him and his legion.

The veracity of these statements has always been open to doubt -- consider the source, circumstances and the affects of time, guilt etc etc on the tellers mind.

And indeed the most recent dark Angel HH stories do seem to portray The Lion as being 100% loyal to the Emperor, and indeed having been unable to travel back from the eastern fringes as the warp was unpassable.

.. bit of course this is only.. what..halfway through the HH, so perhaps that might change.

With regards to the Alpha Legion : Initially at least they did serve the greater good of humanity, even when/by turning against the Emperor. Over the millennia some indeed have fallen to out and out chaos worship, even daemonhood. But, of course, we don't have any definative statement of numbers or lay of alliegances. So whilst some of the Alpha legion may be using that battle cry genuinely, there no doubt some who merely posit or pretend this, and some who use the words and works of the Emperor both as a form of mockery and as a way to spread confusion.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2726445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2726445.page GMT Are Dark angels the traitors and Alpha legion the loyalists HH books are attempting to establish that neither the Fallen nor the Loyalist DA turned to Chaos and that Luther is being manipulated by the Chaos Gods purely through his loyalty to Caliban over the Imperium.

It would then ring somewhat true that the Lion is a "traitor" from a certain point of view in that he "betrayed" his planet to the Imperium and by siding with his father over his Calibanite brothers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2726491.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2726491.page GMT Re:Are Dark angels the traitors and Alpha legion the loyalists
But once you open yourself up to thinking like that, and once you start to "dabble", no matter how noble or righteous your initial reason was, chaos worms its way into you and.. well... you fall. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2726504.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2726504.page GMT Are Dark angels the traitors and Alpha legion the loyalists 40K is the road to Chaos is paved with good intentions.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2727695.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2727695.page GMT Are Dark angels the traitors and Alpha legion the loyalists DA chapter turned to Chaos, simply because of their loyalty to Luther rather than 'Hmmmm... Chaos...' etc. And alpha legion, you can't tell what they're thinking at all, they're just a bunch of messes. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2729522.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2729522.page GMT Are Dark angels the traitors and Alpha legion the loyalists
KamikazeCanuck wrote:A common theme in 40K is the road to Chaos is paved with good intentions.


QFT very, very much.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2729840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2729840.page GMT Are Dark angels the traitors and Alpha legion the loyalists DA were on the eastern fringe and due to the violence of the fighting that took place there vessels were not capable of conducting a jump through the warp. So are DA in general chaotic i would believe not. Were some tainted yes thats what the fallen are. Has almost every chapter had some form of taint or corruption from chaotic beings. Yes for the most part. So why the continous debates on whether or not the DA are traitors?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2730745.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2730745.page GMT Are Dark angels the traitors and Alpha legion the loyalists
The Loyalists of the Alpha Legion are in hiding waiting until they are needed.

And the Fallen Angels have gone insane because they have been lost for so long.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2730810.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2730810.page GMT Are Dark angels the traitors and Alpha legion the loyalists El'Jonson was himself treacherous. There seems to be some truth to that, at any rate El'Jonson was himself rather untrusting and instilled this in his men by dint of his policies.

El' Jonson did lead a covert strike on a forge world that would have crippled Horus' ability to breach the imperial palace. That world had a depot with some unique siege engines in storage. The lion seized the engines... and promptly turned them over to Perturabo. In the end, the only others who knew about the Lion's brilliant strategic victory for the Emperor were the World Eaters and the Iron Warriors.

He never was a good judge of the hearts of men.

Meanwhile, Luther and Astelan were encountering some real problems with Imperial administration of Caliban. The people were herded into arcologies, and suffered from inadequate living conditions and bureaucratic indifference. The remnants of the Calibanite nobility attempted a coup, and worse still a coven of Chaos worshipers among the Terrans who were trying to raise a daemon lord sealed within Caliban.

By the time la resistance and the heretics were put down the planet was a mess, and Luther had had his fill of offworlders, including Jonson. He had become a sorcerer in his search for a means to defeat the Imperium and save the people of Caliban, and probably from the moment Astelan opened fire things went much as they were described in Codex: Dark Angels.

As for the Alpha Legion, they are just treacherous, treacherous scum. I wish people would stop trying to argue that the legion has somehow remained a pure-hearted force seeking to undermine Chaos from within. Maybe somewhere there are loyal, pure Alpha Legionnaires. It's a big galaxy. But they aren't executing some intricate plan to save the universe from chaos. Nope, they definitely aren't.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2730936.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364413/2730936.page GMT