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In the 5th ed BGB, Voldorious is mentioned as awakening the Bloodtide. This apparently killed billions and convinced the Ruinous Powers to confer upon the Alpha Legion Strikemaster the status of daemon prince. 1hadhq informs me that Andy Hoare, in Hunt for Voldorious, says the Bloodtide is some kind of weapon created by man during the Dark Age of Technology.

In the new GK dex, Matt Ward has the Bloodtide as some kind of daemonic incursion that possibly entails a physical compulsion. In Ward's account, the Bloodtide is associated with Khorne and the GK are able to withstand its effects by anointing themselves with a mixture of holy oils and the blood of SoBs who has successfully resisted the Bloodtide already.

Does anyone know of any connection between these two instances? Speculation is welcome as long as everyone understands that it's just speculation.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2726367.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2726367.page GMT The Bloodtide: Andy Hoare and Matt Ward
Manchu wrote:So 1hadhq and I have been chatting about "the Bloodtide," a phrase used by both Andy Hoare and Matt Ward.

In the 5th ed BGB, Voldorious is mentioned as awakening the Bloodtide. This apparently killed billions and convinced the Ruinous Powers to confer upon the Alpha Legion Strikemaster the status of daemon prince. 1hadhq informs me that Andy Hoare, in Hunt for Voldorious, says the Bloodtide is some kind of weapon created by man during the Dark Age of Technology.
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..it's ben a wee while but IIRC

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the Bloodtide in that appears in fact to be a pre age of darkness artifically intelligent ( perhaps the intelligence being an accidental or unwanted side affect, and it's own free will and personality changes over the eons too) "colony" of nanobots.

I suspect there is well some connection atwixt the twain, as the means that Voldorius tries to use to control ( a fragment of) the Bllodtide is injected/placed into a human host.

This host... well....

" I require only your survival,that your soul is not consumed by the awakened will of the Bloodtide".

Said vessel, who was already a woman of great faith, willing to sacrifice herself, was "tempered" through both torture and imprisonment.

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To wit, what does Hoare's Bloodtide actually do to its victims? Also, in what did this woman who became the host for the Bloodtide place her faith?
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gets in through pores in the skin and the ninites procede to damaging and eventulley rupurting viens and arteries an the like.
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and..
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We never really get to see exactly what it would do as the heroes of the book arrive in the nick of time and stop the ceremony.

But it describes itself as "the last weapon". And when it was unleashed before it destroyed whole worlds in a single night, so fats that a single spark ignited the corpse gases of a world and it burnt. A titan legion literally fell apart and was destroyed.

It is, perhaps, even possible that it was created by the Necrontyr or the C'tan, but that's speculation based upon how old the AI claims to be.

It's called the Bloodtide, and considered myth to the Imperium, but of note...

And again, we were unleashed upon the worlds of men. We entered the blood, and the blood rose, and worlds drowned.
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So exactly what/how it chooses to attack is unknown, but the impression I got from things was that when unleashed it attacks in a manner similar to the ebola virus.

A much stronger version of the ebola virus though of course.

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I had mentioned to 1hadhq that I wondered whether Dark Age of Technology weapons ever used the principles of the Warp. So that

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if the Bloodtide is some gestalt AI formed from swarms of self-replicating nanobots, maybe that's just a scientific way of saying your summoning some kind of daemon.


And that is purely speculation. But it's the only thing that I can think of to tie the two instances together. It doesn't sound like GK would be bothered with what Voldarious did. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2726976.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2726976.page GMT Re:The Bloodtide: Andy Hoare and Matt Ward
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The AI element mentions specifically that they are NOT part of the warp or from there. Voldorious found them... it.... and then (mis)used it for his own purposes.

I guess, especially in the ignorance of the 41stM, that an AI -- which is illegal/blasphemous in itself -- is really very little than a daemon. If the primitive "smart" systems on Imperium vehicles are refered to as machine spirits then it's not exactly a huge leap to see self aware machines as being possessed. The only other vehicles/similar with any form of animus otherwise probably being daemonically posessed ones.

If walks like etc etc.

Perhaps the GK scenario was as simple as just needing a "coating" of blood as some (initial or temporary even) form of defense or immunity to the Bloodtide unleashed there, which bought the GK enough time to do what needed doing.

Or perhaps it had been corrupted by a daemon/chaos...
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Blood tide W:

- was inactive,
- the Demon freed is called lord/master of the bloodtide
- the bloodtide corrupted some but others were untouched/immune
- the bloodtide cannot overcome a mixture of blood and holy oils and ...
- Psykers can push back the bloodtide


Blood tide H:

- was inactive,
- was activated by a chaos marine,
- described as a weapon from the DarkAgeofTechnology,
- used once to gain demon prince status, not used in the latest fluff (HfV) of Voldorius as a weapon,
- as a bio-WMD kills effectively whole planetary populations, pretty fast?


Bloodtide W is sent against its controllers enemys, blood tide H not used at all.
Bloodtide W corrupts, Bloodtide H kills.
Bloodtide W is deflected by blood.., bloodtide H seems to ignore certain levels of protection.

Bloodtide W is something badly explained and maybe corrupts taints but doesn't kill.
Bloodtide H is well explained, logical, and surely meant to kill.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2727795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2727795.page GMT Re:The Bloodtide: Andy Hoare and Matt Ward http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2727969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2727969.page GMT The Bloodtide: Andy Hoare and Matt Ward http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2728044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2728044.page GMT Re:The Bloodtide: Andy Hoare and Matt Ward http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2728100.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2728100.page GMT Re:The Bloodtide: Andy Hoare and Matt Ward
Maelstrom808 wrote:It's possible there is a connection, but personally I think it was a case of both writers having a similar idea independantly of each other, implemented differently.


I agree. When you look at it, I doubt it's anywhere near as clever as Manchu is making it out to be.

Though, really, who knows?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2728119.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2728119.page GMT The Bloodtide: Andy Hoare and Matt Ward GK story is called "return of the bloodtide". It's meant to be the sequel.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2728542.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2728542.page GMT The Bloodtide: Andy Hoare and Matt Ward http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2728601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2728601.page GMT Re:The Bloodtide: Andy Hoare and Matt Ward http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2729020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/364420/2729020.page GMT