Razz wrote:So i have a problem with Doctrin Rudolph (facebook http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/DoctrinDraven ) and he scammed me over, big time, for 200$ + 5 of my bast (so far) painting works, it took me 1 WHOLE month to paint em. I sent them to him so he can sell them for me, (GW price of all models is 74$+ my paint job let say minimum 15$ EACH SO we now have 149$ add on that 200$ it makes up to 349$ minimum).

sarpedons-right-hand wrote:On the other hand, I had VIDEO evidence of a 'friend' of mine taking money out of my account via a cashpoint, and they did nothing at all. So dont hold out much hope.....

sarpedons-right-hand wrote:Still, I probably should not have trusted her at all.

precinctomega wrote:Having done some perfectly satisfactory business with Doctrin in the past, I emailed him to give him a chance to state his case and/or make amends. Unfortunately his email appears to have been closed down. As he lives in Republika Srbska, which has some pretty notorious service providers, this may not be his fault.

I believe he's still active on deviantArt, so I'll see I'd I can get him there.

R.

RogueMarket wrote:Hello everyone,

Just wanted to give a headsup - I've had business dealings and alike with Doctrin on Rogue-market. He attempted to utilize RM for his own personal gain through having people send him items and he as a middle man 'helps' sell those for them on their behalf. He also did a large scale amount of trades with others. At that point I requested him to provide me payments as if a sponsor and just like the OP he kept on 'assuring' me that one day he would pay. Despite him taking peoples stuff, and blatantly listing them on eBay for sales (which he showed me). Yet was unable to provide any means of payment even after the sales. He had reasons which were along the lines of personal, or he was using it as an investment for his growing business and alike. At that point I had enough.

Of course I don't have the past transcripts or any visual proof so I will say things simply from what I've saw personally. The OP is no where near me (hes in Serbia) and I don't even know him but my experiences and others experiences with him I'm sure are similiar.

What he does though is something that - if not prepared for - you will have no way of backing up your proof.

From past patterns of what I've seen the individual develops friendship with others online through talking about the hobby and game initially. Then just more personal matters that makes the conversation feel friendly. This can last for an extended period of time (months) and from then he builds up that friendship and trust and utilizes it and extends it through months of 'assurance' responses that he will return the favor one day.

Just to give you a background -

He was banned permanently from our site for non-delivery towards many individuals. And also for stirring a lot of personal drama. Doct is someone who likes to conversate with a lot of individuals and befriend them. With that a clique of people ran off with him when he was banned to form some site called WargamingUndeground.com or something along those lines. Though that site quickly collapsed as he couldn't financially afford to keep it running.

He also capitalized on my past personal transgressions with another trading site (BT) by flipping the scenario that instead of him conning people, that I, was the one conning people. This of course stirred up unnecessary drama and a cover for him on his non-delivery situations. By that point my words meant nothing even if i were to inform other trading communities such as BT or Dakka.



How, and where did he contact you about this whole deal? Dakka?

While the OP has made mistakes (which is something we will all should admit) from personal experience and from viewing his dialogue with others he is someone who is or at the very least tries to be very convincing with his words. He likes to provide a lot of 'assurance' that he can get whatever job done. Be it for wargaming trade or anything web related.


Take my words for whatever its worth.

Ozeo wrote:

RogueMarket wrote:Hello everyone,

Just wanted to give a headsup - I've had business dealings and alike with Doctrin on Rogue-market. He attempted to utilize RM for his own personal gain through having people send him items and he as a middle man 'helps' sell those for them on their behalf. He also did a large scale amount of trades with others. At that point I requested him to provide me payments as if a sponsor and just like the OP he kept on 'assuring' me that one day he would pay. Despite him taking peoples stuff, and blatantly listing them on eBay for sales (which he showed me). Yet was unable to provide any means of payment even after the sales. He had reasons which were along the lines of personal, or he was using it as an investment for his growing business and alike. At that point I had enough.

Of course I don't have the past transcripts or any visual proof so I will say things simply from what I've saw personally. The OP is no where near me (hes in Serbia) and I don't even know him but my experiences and others experiences with him I'm sure are similiar.

What he does though is something that - if not prepared for - you will have no way of backing up your proof.

From past patterns of what I've seen the individual develops friendship with others online through talking about the hobby and game initially. Then just more personal matters that makes the conversation feel friendly. This can last for an extended period of time (months) and from then he builds up that friendship and trust and utilizes it and extends it through months of 'assurance' responses that he will return the favor one day.

Just to give you a background -

He was banned permanently from our site for non-delivery towards many individuals. And also for stirring a lot of personal drama. Doct is someone who likes to conversate with a lot of individuals and befriend them. With that a clique of people ran off with him when he was banned to form some site called WargamingUndeground.com or something along those lines. Though that site quickly collapsed as he couldn't financially afford to keep it running.

He also capitalized on my past personal transgressions with another trading site (BT) by flipping the scenario that instead of him conning people, that I, was the one conning people. This of course stirred up unnecessary drama and a cover for him on his non-delivery situations. By that point my words meant nothing even if i were to inform other trading communities such as BT or Dakka.



How, and where did he contact you about this whole deal? Dakka?

While the OP has made mistakes (which is something we will all should admit) from personal experience and from viewing his dialogue with others he is someone who is or at the very least tries to be very convincing with his words. He likes to provide a lot of 'assurance' that he can get whatever job done. Be it for wargaming trade or anything web related.


Take my words for whatever its worth.

You should feel honoured that I made an account here just for you, if you are infact who I think you are and that is the owner of RM, then you sir are one of the worst of the lot on all of warhammer forums for scamming. If memory serves me correctly you scammed more then your fair share of people under RM as well as recasting armourcast products and selling them. I would happily provide proof if you so dare? otherwise my suggestion would be to quiet down and slink away to your hole, and may god help anyone who ever trades or deals with you. I will happily let the admins know of the snake in the grass that you are. Also if you would like, I could provide some people who are looking for you or the models you promised your info on dakka and they can deal with you directly. Do you still ban people from RM after you do a shaddy deal with them? You are the VERY reason I will NEVER trade at RM and I suggest no one ever does the same.

Oz
as for doctrin, well I 100% believe the OP.

brother_zach wrote:^ Kill 'em with kindness momma always said!

I really don't think this is the place for this sort of rant. To the OP, tough stuff. Suck it up and move on. You seem to have a great talent for painting miniatures, you would honestly be better off setrting up a blog and an Ebay account. Your paining style is very clean and you should nave no problem selling your minis by yourself.

But hey, thanks for the heads up. I think I'll justs tick to the Dakka Swap Shop, Ebay, and game shops.

Ozeo wrote:

You should feel honoured that I made an account here just for you, if you are infact who I think you are and that is the owner of RM, then you sir are one of the worst of the lot on all of warhammer forums for scamming. If memory serves me correctly you scammed more then your fair share of people under RM as well as recasting armourcast products and selling them. I would happily provide proof if you so dare? otherwise my suggestion would be to quiet down and slink away to your hole, and may god help anyone who ever trades or deals with you. I will happily let the admins know of the snake in the grass that you are. Also if you would like, I could provide some people who are looking for you or the models you promised your info on dakka and they can deal with you directly. Do you still ban people from RM after you do a shaddy deal with them? You are the VERY reason I will NEVER trade at RM and I suggest no one ever does the same.

Oz
as for doctrin, well I 100% believe the OP.