<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Demons Troops"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Demons Troops http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2747227.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2747227.page GMT Demons Troops http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2747236.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2747236.page GMT Demons Troops http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/320766.page]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2747345.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2747345.page GMT Demons Troops http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2747399.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2747399.page GMT Demons Troops http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2747610.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2747610.page GMT Demons Troops IG, tau, basic nids...anything troop except space marines really. Bloodletters rip everything apart in CC and plaguebearers are the best objective holders in the game. I challenge anyone to disagree with that-T5, FNP, invul save, fearless. Good luck shooting them off of it. Horrors do nothing for me. I have thirty of the pink bastards and I don't find them overly useful at all. Actually, the only worthwhile Tzeentch guy I find is Kairos. Every other tzeentch model is worthless.

edit-except flamers. They're amazing too]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2748129.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2748129.page GMT Re:Demons Troops http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2748145.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2748145.page GMT Demons Troops http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2752732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2752732.page GMT Demons Troops
rovian wrote:So bloodletters have a lead but mix is close behind what kind of mix are you guys using?


You still haven't clarified the OP as to what about the daemon troops your asking for an opinion on...

But assuming like timetowaste85, I'd say a mix is best- always. A solid block of bloodletters or daemonettes can be as scary as a monstrous creatures- a block of bloodletters (10+) will probably kill more models than the big monsters. That doesn't mean I want 10+ bloodletters on an objective- I want a group of plague bearers sitting there. My least favorite of the lot is horrors though-their shooting is alright vs non MEQ armies, but 17ppm, you don't get too much real value out of them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2752922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2752922.page GMT Demons Troops
In short: Ask a question. Don't just post a poll and expect people to fill the void with amazing tactical insight.

L. Wrex

P.S. For the record I voted for Bloodletters

EDIT: And this was my 1000th post as well =(]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2752952.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2752952.page GMT Re:Demons Troops PB's and horrors, hate daemonettes, letters are OK]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2752999.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2752999.page GMT Demons Troops

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I wa swondering exactly what you use them for how you play them whats best to play with and strongest build.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2753043.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2753043.page GMT Re:Demons Troops CC threat to FW. PB T5 isn't so useful when my basic infantry has STR5 weapons. Tzeentch units shoot-good luck out-shooting Tau w/o IG.

Daemonettes on the other hand, are quick and agile, and get on my warriors quicker than I feel comfortable with.

Out of nowhere-heavily disorganized as-powerful-as-they-would-be-in-fluff custodes rules: ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2753105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2753105.page GMT Demons Troops http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2753146.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2753146.page GMT Demons Troops
rovian wrote:So you like demonettes?


No, I hate them. They are the best against Tau. That's why I hate them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2753243.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2753243.page GMT Demons Troops http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2753292.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2753292.page GMT Demons Troops http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2755971.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2755971.page GMT Re:Demons Troops
The only Slannesh that I ever really consider a threat is Fiends.

As for Bloodletters, they're slow, expensive, and their power weapons mean nothing to me. I'll just drive around them, and charge them with multiple squads when I'm ready to engage.

Plaguebearers love beign shot at, but as a close combat army, I'll beat them through attrition.

Horrors, though, Horrors live up to their name. Bolts take out my vehicles like crazy, with their AP1. And Warpfire will tear apart a squad of Boyz with shooting. Granted, once I charge them it's GG, but MSU Horror lists are really the only Daemon troops I fear.

I think, though, that my Orks just match up well, overall, against Daemons.

In a take-all-comers list, if I played Daemons, I'd never bring anything other than a 2 small units of Plaguebearers with Icons for objectives/icon coverage, and 1 or 2 MSU of Horrors for extra Bolts and the Changeling. Daemons' power are in their Elites, HQ's, and Heavy Support. If you're substantially investing in troops, then, well, you're doing it wrong.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2756183.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2756183.page GMT Demons Troops
rovian wrote:I would say plaguebearers are the best as they can also kill tau and are almost impossible to remove from an objective without a dedicated assualt unit.


Plaguebearers are the only daemons who I wouldn't even consider a threat to my Tau.

The Tau's basic Str5 pulse weapons mean that T5 does absolutely nothing, the plaguebearers are hardly meant to speedily catch up to my Tau, and being unable to shoot, they have to choose between getting shot to shreds holding the objective, or chasing (unsuccessfully) my Tau, leaving the objective wide open.

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im2randomghgh wrote:
rovian wrote:I would say plaguebearers are the best as they can also kill tau and are almost impossible to remove from an objective without a dedicated assualt unit.


Plaguebearers are the only daemons who I wouldn't even consider a threat to my Tau.

The Tau's basic Str5 pulse weapons mean that T5 does absolutely nothing, the plaguebearers are hardly meant to speedily catch up to my Tau, and being unable to shoot, they have to choose between getting shot to shreds holding the objective, or chasing (unsuccessfully) my Tau, leaving the objective wide open.



Plague bearers aren't meant to actually do anything, their slow speed an lack of combat ability should tell you that. They are meant to not die. And S5 hurts more than normal bolters, but you still need a 4+ (as opposed to your normal 3+ or better) and then they get a 5++ and FNP to save against it. That is assuming they aren't in cover. If you have faces 30+ plague bearers before, backed up by speedy killing units (like fiends, seekers, and hounds) you won't have a huge amount of time to dedicate shooting at troops that aren't even trying to threaten you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2756502.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2756502.page GMT Demons Troops
notabot187 wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
rovian wrote:I would say plaguebearers are the best as they can also kill tau and are almost impossible to remove from an objective without a dedicated assualt unit.


Plaguebearers are the only daemons who I wouldn't even consider a threat to my Tau.

The Tau's basic Str5 pulse weapons mean that T5 does absolutely nothing, the plaguebearers are hardly meant to speedily catch up to my Tau, and being unable to shoot, they have to choose between getting shot to shreds holding the objective, or chasing (unsuccessfully) my Tau, leaving the objective wide open.



Plague bearers aren't meant to actually do anything, their slow speed an lack of combat ability should tell you that. They are meant to not die. And S5 hurts more than normal bolters, but you still need a 4+ (as opposed to your normal 3+ or better) and then they get a 5++ and FNP to save against it. That is assuming they aren't in cover. If you have faces 30+ plague bearers before, backed up by speedy killing units (like fiends, seekers, and hounds) you won't have a huge amount of time to dedicate shooting at troops that aren't even trying to threaten you.


The point is that they are supposed to be nearly impossible to shoot to death. 4+ isn't that bad...

A large FW squad in rapid fire range with drones gets 24 shots and 2 re-rollable shots.

At bs 3 that's 13.5 hits (w/re-rollables)

4+ to wound=6.75 unsaved wounds.

5++= 4.5 wounds.

W/ FNP= 2.25 wounds.

They're supposed to be so tough you don't do ANY wounds. I did 2.25 (more if the dice gods love you, but I guess that applies to any weapon...)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2756611.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2756611.page GMT Demons Troops
im2randomghgh wrote:
notabot187 wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
rovian wrote:I would say plaguebearers are the best as they can also kill tau and are almost impossible to remove from an objective without a dedicated assualt unit.


Plaguebearers are the only daemons who I wouldn't even consider a threat to my Tau.

The Tau's basic Str5 pulse weapons mean that T5 does absolutely nothing, the plaguebearers are hardly meant to speedily catch up to my Tau, and being unable to shoot, they have to choose between getting shot to shreds holding the objective, or chasing (unsuccessfully) my Tau, leaving the objective wide open.



Plague bearers aren't meant to actually do anything, their slow speed an lack of combat ability should tell you that. They are meant to not die. And S5 hurts more than normal bolters, but you still need a 4+ (as opposed to your normal 3+ or better) and then they get a 5++ and FNP to save against it. That is assuming they aren't in cover. If you have faces 30+ plague bearers before, backed up by speedy killing units (like fiends, seekers, and hounds) you won't have a huge amount of time to dedicate shooting at troops that aren't even trying to threaten you.


The point is that they are supposed to be nearly impossible to shoot to death. 4+ isn't that bad...

A large FW squad in rapid fire range with drones gets 24 shots and 2 re-rollable shots.

At bs 3 that's 13.5 hits (w/re-rollables)

4+ to wound=6.75 unsaved wounds.

5++= 4.5 wounds.

W/ FNP= 2.25 wounds.

They're supposed to be so tough you don't do ANY wounds. I did 2.25 (more if the dice gods love you, but I guess that applies to any weapon...)


Try again in cover.

Going to ground because you don't move anywhere from the objective, because plagues are too slow to chase things around with their lackluster CC ability.



funnnnnnnnnn but even at 2.25 wounds, you're looking at 12.5 dead plague's over 6 turns who have been standing around in the open for some reason, assuming you fire every turn at a squad. And when there's 30 of them...

I'm not saying its not possible as we're looking at one Tau unit. But "yeah I'll just shoot them off the objective ... it's never quite that simple. But your posts have made me think more about my daemons vs shooty armies (I've only played a few games with them so far )]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2756932.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2756932.page GMT Re:Demons Troops SoB only costs 11, and gets options).

Where facing tau sucks with daemons is the crisis teams killing the plague bearers in objective missions, DPs in KPs, and the FW, kroot, and devil fish killing everything speedy (or in the case of kroot acting as speed bumps and redirectors) in all missions.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2757437.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2757437.page GMT Re:Demons Troops
notabot187 wrote:Playing daemons against shooty armies sucks, but not because of the fire warrior and their like. Guess what, fire warriors are pretty crappy troops. No options, ork level leadership, rapid fire weapons so they can't stay mobile and shoot(and will die if anything survives rapid fire), cost too many points (10 is way too much when a SoB only costs 11, and gets options).

Where facing tau sucks with daemons is the crisis teams killing the plague bearers in objective missions, DPs in KPs, and the FW, kroot, and devil fish killing everything speedy (or in the case of kroot acting as speed bumps and redirectors) in all missions.


Yes, I agree completely, the crisis suits are a bitch for daemons. Centurions can rape daemons in the ass.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2757445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2757445.page GMT Demons Troops
Too much fun not to use.

Once they kill 20 models your opponent should concede. Unless they are playing Nurgle CSM.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2757465.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2757465.page GMT Demons Troops BL, 1 of Horrors , and 1 of Daemonettes. The list is more of less made so I can have a variety of things to play with, plus to have a mix of chaos color on the table. Thought I'll admit doing this usually makes games tougher to win, but I find the table top presence appealing and fun. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2762150.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/365733/2762150.page GMT