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				<description><![CDATA[ Ive got this list out together that I may use for Ard Boyz ( yeah I know its early but nothing wrong with getting prepared a little early). Wanna see what you guys think.<br /> <br /> - Baal Pred.  T.L. Assault Cannon<br /> - Baal Pred.  T.L. Asaalut Cannon<br /> - Land Raider Crusader w/ x5 Assault Termies (x4 Storm Hammer, x1 L.C.) , Chaplain, Brother Corbula<br /> - Stormraven w/ x10 Assault Squad - x2 melta, Sgt. with Power weapon, Asotrath the Grim, Furioso Dreadnought<br /> - Razorback- T.L. Assault Cannon x6 Assault Squad- melta & power weapon<br /> - Razorback- T.L. Assault Cannon x6 Assault Squad- melta & power weapon <br /> - x10 Assault Squad (deep strike unit)- x2 meltas & power weapon<br /> <br /> Thinking of changing one of the Razorbacks to a T.L. Lascannon but going to await feedback before doing so. Look forward to seeing what you guys think.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Can anyone give me some feedback regarding my list]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 7 May 2011 16:57:34]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Tony if you want to post a list you need to do it like this<br /> <br />          2447<br /> <br />  Baal Predator ( 115 pts)<br />    <br /> <br />  Baal Predator ( 115 pts)<br />     <br /> <br /> Terminator Assault Squad ( 500pts)<br /> 5x  Termies 4x hammer 1w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span><br /> <br /> Land Raider Crusader<br /> <br />   Brother Corbulo 105pts<br />  <br />  Chaplain in Terminator Armour 130pts<br /> <br />  Stormraven ( 200 pts)<br />  <br /> <br />  Assault Squad ( 235 pts)<br />   x 10  x2 meltagun , Power Fist , no jumpacks in storm raven w/ astoroth<br /> <br />  Assault Squad ( 235 pts)<br />   x10   x2 meltagun , Power Fist <br /> <br />  Assault Squad ( 226 pts)<br />    x6 w/ Meltagun and Power Fist <br />        Razorback Twin Linked Assault Cannon <br /> <br />  Assault Squad ( 226 pts)<br />    x6 w/ Meltagun and Power Fist <br />        Razorback Twin Linked Assault Cannon <br /> <br />  Astorath the Grim ( 220 pts)<br />     <br /> <br />  Furioso Dreadnought ( 140 pts)<br />   Magna-grapple ,blood talons<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 8 May 2011 05:26:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thankyou for the heads-up]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 8 May 2011 19:47:34]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ This list is fragile but could work <br /> <br /> I'm not to fond of the choice of 1 Stormraven with a bunch of juicy assault marines with a furioso <br /> <br /> I love the idea of bloodstars but at 500 points in 2500 it's going to be a primarily target along with the the stormraven <br /> <br /> I'm curious about Astorath why choose him when you have no dc what-so-ever<br /> <br /> I'm also overwhelmed by the amount of assualt cannons you have in here <br /> <br /> Are these for half-ass jobs on tanks and infantry or are you just a fan of dakka tanks<br /> <br /> I'm also curious about your choice of corbolo other then 1 reroll and a higher <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>fnp</span> roll for himself but at 55 points extra <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> I don't find it nessary <br /> <br /> To answer your question I recommend a Lascannon and plasma combo simply for variety ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 8 May 2011 20:19:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ - The Reason I am only going one stormraven is the Landraider is taking up the other stormraven slot<br /> - The reason for the assault cannons is with the 4 shots and the rending special ability I have a good chance of hitting or glancing any tank i encounter and the assault cannons can be used on troops effectively once I do not have any other armor target ( thats if this happens )<br /> - I choose Astorath because of his ability to give my assault troops a better chance at geting red thirst, but I see your point and would it be better to go with Dante with the deep striking unit or maybe run Mephiston (But not sure I have the points to provide mephiston an adequate transport)<br /> - For Brother Carbolo I feel having him with the Bloodstar unit makes that unit more potent with his 2+<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> and 2 wounds I can insert him into combat rather than holding back a regular priest because of it's weak nature with one wound.<br /> - And thankyou about the Razorback Combo I was not sure which direction to take them in and I appreciate that ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 8 May 2011 22:48:00]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ take priests over astorath i would say.<br /> <br /> red thirst is great if you get it.<br /> <br /> but priests mean you always get furious charge AND feel no pain. works wonders when you have an assault squad, with a librarian (unleash rage, shield of sanguinius) and a priest.<br /> re rolling to hit, hitting at initiative 5 strength 5 and if your wounded you could possibly ignore it!<br /> <br /> a blood angels army needs priests. in my opinion they are the best unit choice in the book for what they do!<br /> <br /> also why does the unit with astorath not have jump packs? not saying its a bad choice im just not sure what the reason is?<br /> <br /> also corbulos feel no pain of 2+ is only on himself, so really he is the same as a normal priest for much more points.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 8 May 2011 23:11:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You have way to many characters in this list. You need to drop them and fill in some more meat. Its all about meat and priest in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> list. Also as far as the asscannon go, thats just it. You wish on a star and your wish just might come true. Then again if your going to kill something, do it the right way and pick up some melta gear.  On top of that your not putting enought armour on the table to help your key units survive. I do like it, but wish you had another stormy on the table.<br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 9 May 2011 03:54:27]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ also why does the unit with astorath not have jump packs? not saying its a bad choice im just not sure what the reason is? [code]<br /> <br /> Sry if this doesn't come out right getting used to the site posts again <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span><br /> <br /> I saw this to and was puzzled <br /> <br /> If I was you just substitute Astorath for more priests <br /> <br /> In all respects he's not the greatest for his points but an awsome model <br /> <br /> Trust me I bought him thought he was beast ... Shortly after sold him<br /> <br />  mephiston is better 10 fold and he's 30 points more <br /> <br />  you misread the corbolo rules, he only rerolls 2+ for himself which is sad of him (cool model though)<br /> <br /> But for one thing certain if he did transfer 2+ to his unit you would see him everywhere especially bloodstars  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 9 May 2011 03:56:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I know Corbulo only gets 2+ for himself but with his multiple wounds i feel more comfortable sending him into combat because if a normal priests takes a wound he is dead.<br /> For the more armor on the table I feel I have to disagree because i have x2 Baal Preds, Land Raider, Stormraven, and x2 Razorbacks (thats 6 pieces of Armor) and the other Stormraven is being replaced by the Land Raider. For characters I understand it and will be replacing Astorath with a Libby and a priest]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 9 May 2011 05:35:25]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I understand your concern but even a priest with terminator armor is more effective then him and is less points<br /> <br /> Corbolo sure takes a 2+ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>fnp</span> roll and 2 wounds but in a bloodstar your terminators are going to soak the wounds <br /> <br /> It's only when you have 2 Terminators and the priest left is when you have to choose over <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>fnp</span> and more attacks<br /> <br /> This is all opinionated and feel free to take him I'm just saying <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(71);'>IMHO</span> he's not fit , at least for me he is <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 9 May 2011 20:43:40]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Not sure why there's all this Assault Cannon doubt in this thread.  A <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> is better at popping vehicles than a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-Lascannon.<br /> <br /> Probability of destroying AV10/11/12/13/14, target not obscured <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>: .340/.183/.183/.125/.064 <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>: .247/.198/.148/.099/.049 <br /> <br /> The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> is only better against AV11.  It has a longer range, but most stuff with a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> can move 12" and shoot, for a 36" threat range.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 9 May 2011 22:07:22]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ MrEconomics]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Very impressed indeed  <img src="/s/i/a/ef7b97610a8bf5b2bd5df8209dc08ff3.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> I would never think about it like that or do enough math hammer <br /> <br /> I must steal this idea and be careful no to glue my turrets  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 10 May 2011 04:02:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I've always been an <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-Assault Cannon fan and now I got the math to back it up, thanks for the backup was starting to worry the my love for the assault cannon was misplaced.<br /> <br /> Im working on a modified list on what everyone has suggested i'll post it tommorrow and see what everyone thinks.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> is amazing unless you have eldar cheatery happening gah I hate those guys.<br /> <br /> But <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> are great they usually make them selves noticed other than against my last game but still love em.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 10 May 2011 05:57:30]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>cowpow16 wrote:</cite><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> is amazing unless you have eldar cheatery happening gah I hate those guys.<br /> <br /> But <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> are great they usually make them selves noticed other than against my last game but still love em.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> What trickery do you speak of? all of it or the wave serpants energy field? I wondered if the assault cannon only gets one dice... Does a d3 count as a dice ?]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Eyesedragon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ok herre is the Modified List:<br /> <br /> 145 - Baal Pred-  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> (I already have the heavy bolters and stormbolter glued on other wise i would keep them off to save points)<br /> 115 - Baal Pred-  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> ( Being shipped as we speak and I will not make the same mistake I made last time)<br /> 145 - Pred - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> W/Heavy Bolters<br /> 260 - LandRaider Crusader <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> & Multi-Melta  (I did not glue on the Multi melta so I can remove this if needed but prefer to keep it)<br />              220 - Assault Terminators x4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(270);'>SH</span> x1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> <br />              175 - Libby (Epistolary) in Terminator Armor<br />              105 - Brother Corbulo<br /> 200 - Stormraven - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span><br />              135 - x5 Assault Squad w/Jump Packs - Melta & <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> 240 - Razorback  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> w/ x5 Assault Squad & Sanguinary Priest - Melta & <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> 190 - Razorback  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> w/ x5 Assault Squad - Melta & <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> 190 - Razorback  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> w/ x5 Assault Squad - Melta & <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> 190 - Razorback  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> w/ x5 Assault Squad - Melta & <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> 190 - Razorback  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> w/ x5 Assault Squad - Melta & <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span><br /> <br /> 2500 Army List <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 10 May 2011 17:58:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The new list is decent.  I have two issues.<br /> <br /> First, your Predator is "backwards".  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HBs</span> costs more than Autocannon and Lascannon sponsons and performs more poorly.  If you've already glued everything, it's a tough fix, but I'd correct it if you can.<br /> <br /> Second, running a single Stormraven is generally a bad idea.  It's even worse when the Stormraven doesn't have a lethal cargo.  Look at it this way: You are paying a lot of points for the transport capacity of the Stormraven.  An <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> Vendetta costs like 125 points, has the same <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(9);'>AV</span>, has 3 Twin-Linked Lascannons, can carry a squad, and has the Scouts <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(136);'>USR</span>.  The only advantage the SR has is the "no-melta" rule and the ability to carry much nastier cargo.  To me, that means you need to use the transport capacity to the fullest or you're just playing with fewer points than your opponent.<br /> <br /> I'd also run all the Razorbacks as <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> but that might be difficult to model.  Another alternative would be Las/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>Plas</span>.  It isn't that hard to model (just get some Plasmaguns), and is better than <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> in general.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ MrEconomics]]></author>
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